Amazon.comās Whole Foods Market doesnāt want to be forced to let workers wear āBlack Lives Matterā masks and is pointing to the recent US Supreme Court ruling permitting a business owner to refuse services to same-sex couples to get federal regulators to back off.
National Labor Relations Board prosecutors have accused the grocer of stifling worker rights by banning staff from wearing BLM masks or pins on the job. The company countered in a filing that its own rights are being violated if itās forced to allow BLM slogans to be worn with Whole Foods uniforms.
Amazon is the most prominent company to use the high courtās June ruling that a Christian web designer was free to refuse to design sites for gay weddings, saying the case āprovides a clear roadmapā to throw out the NLRBās complaint.
The dispute is one of several in which labor board officials are considering what counts as legally-protected, work-related communication and activism on the job.
Jesus yāall. Let me spell this out plainly.
BLM is a political organization.
Wearing BLM gear is a political statement.
Whole Foods doesnāt want employee uniforms to make a political statement.
Bet every single person here would be pleased if this was about banning Trump masks. Iāll give you a crisp $20 bill if those are allowed. Or any other sort of political speech.
The fact that there is an organization of the same name does not mean they own the slogan. People using the slogan almost never do so in reference to this organization nor are necessarily even aware that such an organization exists.
BLM is more of a human rights statement. Anything is āpoliticalā if the right choses to whine about it. An example is putting pronouns on name tags. Itās a great idea to ensure employees are addressed correctly and frankly shouldnāt be any more political than a name tag containing your name, but the right choses to view them as political because they need a constant culture war.
This might mean something if āBLMā was owned by an organization.
So Black Lives Matter is not a political slogan, let alone an organization? Saying Black Lives Matter means nothing to anyone except by taking it literally? Nothing to do with politics whatsoever?
By that metric any opinion is political.
You only think itās political because conservatives donāt like it.
The statement Black Lives Matter is not political, you absolute ham sandwichā¦
On its own itās not, but it definitely is in the current political and cultural context. Thereās no getting away from that. Itās going to provoke a political reaction in any conservative and thereās no point in pretending otherwise.
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Thatās an indictment of Conservatism. What are they trying to Conserve and when was America great? Cause it was not great for folks of color or queer folk back then, and we wont go back.
I can and do agree with everything you argue while also maintaining the objectively obvious fact that context matters in politics.
The statement itself shouldnāt be political in its sentiment, but obviously the organization exists and it has its own policy positions, events, advocacy, and I can go to their website to donate. I think itās fairly obvious which one Whole Foods would be concerned with.
Ah, so if I wear a hat at work that says āsave babiesā and then an organization pops up called āSave babiesā and they start donating to politicians, should I no longer be allowed to wear my āSave Babiesā hat?
Yup
If the company youāre representing would prefer you didnāt, then sure.
Letās use another example, if someone was a big supporter of fascism and was wearing a hat or mask that said, āsave fascistsā, would you prefer the store couldnāt prevent them from wearing that?
How bad would the phrase have to get to change your mind?
Iād say the difference comes down to choice. You choose to be a fascist. You choose to be a trump supporter. You donāt choose to be black. You donāt chose to be an infant.
Examples. If you wore a SPLC clothing article, I think the employer would be allowed to object, but if you wore clothing showing support for women, or indigenous people, then they should abide it.
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So you deny that BLM is a political org?
They sure seem to be calling for political action.
https://blacklivesmatter.com/
Having a just cause does not make a movement apolitical. Agreeing with that cause does not make the statement apolitical.
You seem to have your emotions mixed up with facts. And here I thought that was a conservative trait.
While I would agree that it is political, itās because it is a movement and has become political. The organization was created after the movement and does not necessarily reflect the will or intentions of the actual movement. Itās like if back in the day there was an org called Womenās Suffrage. It doesnāt mean the focus of all people who want womenās suffrage are part of an organization named that after the movement started.
Womenās suffrage is probably the worst example you could have chosen ā in what way is fighting for the right to vote not inherently political?
I was saying that BLM is a political movement. Itās not necessarily an organization.
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Then neither is āMake America Great Againā
Thatās multiple candidates campaign slogans. Itās was a Republican presidential slogan in 64 and 80, very famously part of Reaganās campaign.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Make_America_Great_Again
The statement itself is as political as the statement āblack lives matterā.
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Edit: https://chantillynews.org/5886/opinions/human-rights-vs-political-views/
Let me make it a little more clear: how about āAll lives matterā?
Thatās just a āthought terminating clicheā, like āit is what it isā. Its intention is to end a conversation that the speaker doesnāt want to have.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought-terminating_clichƩ
Created as a response to āBlack Lives Matterā, it means āI donāt care about black lives because I am not black. Stop talking about them.ā
To prove this, just ask anyone who utters or displays that phrase the following question:
āWhat do you think about black people?ā
And you think if this goes through, Amazon wouldnāt also ban masks with that slogan on them?
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This is like saying āTrump has Little Handsā is a political organization because some guy wants to copyright āTrump has Little Handsā to sell on merch. Absolutely ridiculous take and it clearly show where you stand on these sorts of issues.
Let me spell it out plainly:
You are really jumping through some hoops to prove that the saying, āBlack Lives Matterā has nothing to do with politics. Say it out loud for us. Say itās not a slogan and has no ties to political views.
Not accepting facts contrary to your position? How very conservative of you.
No matter how far left I am, thereās always assholes like you pushing people back to the right. Iām not going right because a bunch a angry teenagers areā¦ angry. But youāre not doing the liberal cause any justice here. In fact, youāre actively hurting it.
Are you saying black lives donāt matter?
Where is the debate on the statement āblack lives matterā? Please argue against that statement.
No what youāre saying is that the statement has been politicized by bad actors. But those are the politics of the bad actors, not politics around the statement itself.
Should the depiction of the Earth as being round be banned as well? There is controversy around that, by idiots and grifters of course, but how is it different about the controversy around BLM?
Surely you share the same opinion about those who wear gear that says āAll lives matterā? Theyāre just good people preaching a message of love?
Maybe I would if I bash my head into a wall enough to cause enough brain damage that I donāt understand that āall lives matterā is part of the politicization effort by bad actors.
See there is an actual real world where people did things with motives that are very well understood. If your ālogicalā arguments are completely dependent on ignoring specific realities, itās not really a logical argument at all. Demanding someone ignore reality so you can have a big āaha! I proved you to be a hypocrite!ā kind of moment is rather silly isnāt it?
So you only bashed your head enough to not understand that the phrase āBlack Lives Matterā is borne out of a social/political movement?
Are you saying all lives donāt matter?
Where is the debate on the statement āall lives matterā? Please argue against that statement.
All lives literally canāt matter if youāre already excluding some in that, thatās the whole point of Black Lives Matter you doofus.
Remember, Black people count as people too, and as long as their lives donāt matter as much then the saying, āAll lives matterā is false. Because if you cared about all lives, then youād be caring about the black lives that are disproportionately harmed and murdered.
And one only needs to take a look at society here in America to see the black lives are treated way worse than white lives. Nearly all facets of our society have some built-in racism whether youāre just going to the hospital with chest pains or trying to buy or sell your house. Youāre gonna get worse quality of everything just because of your skin color and thatās verifiable fact.
And yet all they want you to do is recognize that theyāre being killed at a much higher rate than other people, and want you to care about that. And for some reason that triggers you so.
Saying all lives matter, and believing that is like having a life raft on a boat, and seeing some people drowning, but you decided to throw the life raft to the people at a table, eating shrimp. You know, because all lives matter. Black Lives Matter is just recognizing the drowning people and trying to help them.
Youāre lost ā Iām not defending the All Lives Matter mantra.
Iām pointing out that Black Lives Matter isnāt merely a benign statement of fact, itās a statement borne out of a social/political movement. Which you obviously agree with, based on what you wrote out.
You are arguing in bad faith. BLM came out of police brutality targeting predominantly black communities. Period. End of story. If you donāt understand that, thatās because youāre willfully ignorant of the world happening around you.
Are you lost? Thatās exactly what Iām sayingā¦
No. Because they are in bad faith inverting the wording of the phrase to sound like āmuh common senseā but in reality are just reactionary contrarians that are communicating their social conservative opinions.
Saying Black Lives Matter is only political to right wing racists who believe that the status quo, that Black Lives Donāt Matter, is fine.
So itās political then? Just because one side of the spectrum has heinous beliefs does not make a thing non-political.
Itās both because one side wants it to be to diminish its power. But at its core itās a human rights issue. Itās the words Black Lives Matter, strange if you get upset hearing that and think itās purely political and should be snuffed out where you donāt like facing it. š¤
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If this thing was a fight to wear āMake America Great Again!ā masks, these people would sing a different tune. And some ass will be along to explain how thatās totally differentā¦
The whole notion of BLM is political. In the same sense that no one denies making America great is a bad thing, no one denies black lives matter. Yet they are political slogans, end of story. Whole Foods does not want employees wearing controversial political slogans.
Iāve supported the idea of BLM from day 1. Even dumped a right-wing buddy I was slowly turning around. I have zero patience for the haters. Zero. But if I owned a business, employees would not be wearing anything that even smelled of politics.
These children canāt get their emotions untied from facts.