Dear comrades,

As we all know there are two soviet eras pre and post death of Stalin. We all know Khrushchev basically did a coupe detat, by killing all Stalinists and also by starting the anti Stalin propaganda. We know he was the cause of the Soviet Sino split.

But what exactly caused the split? What policies did he push that were reformist or capitalist in nature ? How exactly did he fuck up? I know the results, but I lack in knowledge of the causes.

    • GarbageShoot [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      281·
      3 months ago

      idk, I personally think he rather lost his right to that with all the lying in the Secret Speech, which was then cover for slaughtering Stalin’s supporters in the political establishment, but you can do what you like, of course

            • LeniX@lemmygrad.ml
              161·
              3 months ago

              Imagine saying something akin to “let’s hear Gorbachev’s side of the story - we need the complete history” in 1993. There was an interview - it was bogus through and through. You won’t get the complete history that way.

                  • Makan@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
                    36·
                    3 months ago

                    I’m not talking about that dumb interview, I mean memoirs, personal correspondence, people that were close to him, etc.

                    My friend tells me that there are also a lot of speeches of his with ideas that weren’t even fully his own.

                    Sounds like an area of investigation!

    • FanonFan [comrade/them, any]@hexbear.net
      92·
      3 months ago

      Kinda wild you’re getting ratioed for softly encouraging investigation lmao

      No investigation, no right to speak

      Y’all other libs need to stop just adopting the meme positions of this site without actually reading, the realities of the decisions made in history are infinitely more complex than “this leader smart, all decision good; that leader dumb, all decision bad”

      • Makan@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
        11·
        3 months ago

        Yes, this is what I’m getting at.

        But the mods have spoken. Let’s move on.

    • Che's Motorcycle@lemmygrad.ml
      81·
      3 months ago

      I’ve read most of your comments, and I get a really strange feeling from them. Almost like “I’m not going to bother reading Kruschev myself, but you all are WRONG because you’ve never read him”.

      As an ML community, we’re committed to historical materialism (you can see an excellent overview of it from Marx here: https://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/h/i.htm#historical-materialism). What I take from that is we have can have a deeper understanding of history than “mere” historians, who still typically lack any understanding of class or political economy.

      And we especially don’t need to read all the “Great Men” who “made things happen”. We know that history is a process of class struggle, and understand its outcomes as such

      • Che's Motorcycle@lemmygrad.ml
        91·
        3 months ago

        And I would add that there’s especially little value in studying the far right if our goal is to understand what they want.

        Sartre put it best:

        Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

        • Makan@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
          13·
          3 months ago

          I liked that you hid your reply to me behind another comment. Classy.

          I like how you also quote an anti-communist in bad faith.

          Never change.

      • Makan@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
        12·
        3 months ago

        Not at all.

        I’m friends with Ismail and he got me interested in reading the other side of the story.

        “I’ve read most of your comments, and I get a really strange feeling from them. Almost like “I’m not going to bother reading Kruschev myself, but you all are WRONG because you’ve never read him”.”

        Vibes aren’t research.

        No investigation, no right to speak!