This entire train of conversation seems bizarre to me. While I don’t know the intention, the topic is being promoted by companies. Fervently. And having to embezzle “biological” from the sentence doesn’t leave a good feel, either.
This feels more like an ideological war than an factual war.
Are you referring to the topic of “lgbtq people deserve rights”, or are you referring to “the boxer is a woman”? And when you say “embezzle biological from the sentence”, what do you mean? I think I know, but I would like to be clear.
To be entirely clear: Imane Khelif, the Algerian women’s Olympic boxer, is a cis, born, biological, genetic, assigned female at birth, raised as a woman, anatomical, woman. Trans women are also women, but in this case she is not a trans woman, so the whole thing is just multiple levels of awful and gross.
All controversy surrounding her is factually inaccurate, transphobic and sexist, which is quite the combo.
Lgbtq rights and respect are entirely an ideological issue. I don’t think anyone argued that it wasn’t. Lgbtq rights are human rights, and human rights beliefs are intrinsically ideological.
They’re not being promoted by companies, they’re being leveraged or "exploited* by companies who have realized that human rights are popular.
The objective is to get money from people. What other objective do you think a company would have? Do you think they’re trying to promote being trans for some reason?
Middle of the image you’re responding to, when they refer to “allowing biological men to compete in women’s sports at the Olympics”.
Said Algerian boxer became the center of claims that she was actually trans and competing against women unfairly after she punched another boxer in the face, like boxers do, and the other boxer had to drop out on account of “face all messed up”.
See my previous comment for a breakdown on the validity of that claim, and maybe some understanding of why it’s just a big pile of ignorance and hate.
I see. Okay, so I checked WTF you’re all talking about and it seems like an XY woman wrecked a XX women, which I also feel is bullshit considering the massive biological difference. Not sure what that has to do with a phobia of any kind, though.
Couple things: a statement relating to unspecified testing about one failed test to Russian state media is a pretty far cry from “it kind of holds up”.
I’m glad you avoid manufactured outrage. In this case, the manufactured outrage is from the people falsely claiming a woman is secretly transgender and spreading misinformation, like in the original post you seem to not have a problem with.
You don’t see what accusing someone of being transgender to undermine their win has to do with transgender issues?
Also, “transexual” is not the preferred nomenclature. Transgender is. The former is an older, dated term and is generally best avoided.
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This entire train of conversation seems bizarre to me. While I don’t know the intention, the topic is being promoted by companies. Fervently. And having to embezzle “biological” from the sentence doesn’t leave a good feel, either.
This feels more like an ideological war than an factual war.
Are you referring to the topic of “lgbtq people deserve rights”, or are you referring to “the boxer is a woman”? And when you say “embezzle biological from the sentence”, what do you mean? I think I know, but I would like to be clear.
To be entirely clear: Imane Khelif, the Algerian women’s Olympic boxer, is a cis, born, biological, genetic, assigned female at birth, raised as a woman, anatomical, woman. Trans women are also women, but in this case she is not a trans woman, so the whole thing is just multiple levels of awful and gross.
All controversy surrounding her is factually inaccurate, transphobic and sexist, which is quite the combo.
Lgbtq rights and respect are entirely an ideological issue. I don’t think anyone argued that it wasn’t. Lgbtq rights are human rights, and human rights beliefs are intrinsically ideological.
They’re not being promoted by companies, they’re being leveraged or "exploited* by companies who have realized that human rights are popular.
The objective is to get money from people. What other objective do you think a company would have? Do you think they’re trying to promote being trans for some reason?
What has some Algerian boxer to do with all of this? I feel like I’m missig 27 layers of hate.
Middle of the image you’re responding to, when they refer to “allowing biological men to compete in women’s sports at the Olympics”.
Said Algerian boxer became the center of claims that she was actually trans and competing against women unfairly after she punched another boxer in the face, like boxers do, and the other boxer had to drop out on account of “face all messed up”.
See my previous comment for a breakdown on the validity of that claim, and maybe some understanding of why it’s just a big pile of ignorance and hate.
I see. Okay, so I checked WTF you’re all talking about and it seems like an XY woman wrecked a XX women, which I also feel is bullshit considering the massive biological difference. Not sure what that has to do with a phobia of any kind, though.
swing and a miss. Remember that big part where I talked about how she’s a woman in every possible sense of the word? Read that again.
You’re looking at the hate and then just believing it. Don’t.
Okay, I re-checked and it kind of holds up but not totally.
https://www.reuters.com/sports/olympics/boxing-two-boxers-who-failed-gender-tests-world-championships-cleared-games-2024-07-29/
Frankly, to me that issue isn’t worth pursuing. It’s easy enough to check, and seems to generally have nothing to do with transsexuals anyway.
I like to keep away from manufactured outrage.
Couple things: a statement relating to unspecified testing about one failed test to Russian state media is a pretty far cry from “it kind of holds up”.
I’m glad you avoid manufactured outrage. In this case, the manufactured outrage is from the people falsely claiming a woman is secretly transgender and spreading misinformation, like in the original post you seem to not have a problem with.
You don’t see what accusing someone of being transgender to undermine their win has to do with transgender issues?
Also, “transexual” is not the preferred nomenclature. Transgender is. The former is an older, dated term and is generally best avoided.
Going by their username, I don’t think they have any compunctions about using dated terminology.