Refute that they aren’t criminals and are just patriots? Their actions do that. They came prepared to take hostages. They came to cause wanton destruction. They assaulted police, broke down barriers, and threatened to kill people.
Patriots. Pfft. Pawns at least and conspirators and traitors at worst.
If you were following the Proud Boys without knowing they are a domestic terrorist organization acting at Trump’s command then you were wilfully turning a blind eye since 2016. Everyone that showed up to Trump’s rally was on board with the racism and violence displayed by all these groups for 4 years, and the idea of overturning the election (calling it “stop the steal” doesn’t change its intent).
if they really believed the election was stolen, then they thought the other side were the ones overturning the election.
it recently came out that the “2000 mules” movie is not based on provable evidence, but if you saw it and were alreday primed to think they were telling the truth, ending up at j6 makes you a victim of a fraud, not an insurrectionist.
edit: that movie came out after j6, but the group who did all the lying has been around since 2k9 and they spread this kind of nonsense all the time.
some people just aren’t very online, especially the older folks. even those who had some awareness that proudboys exists may not have had any inkling they were there.
Refute that they aren’t criminals and are just patriots? Their actions do that. They came prepared to take hostages. They came to cause wanton destruction. They assaulted police, broke down barriers, and threatened to kill people.
Patriots. Pfft. Pawns at least and conspirators and traitors at worst.
Not like you are actually here for discourse.
>Pawns
yea. their patriotism made them pawns.
>Not like you are actually here for discourse.
i answered a question. i am not here to watch you grandstand, though.
Spewing a bunch of lies isn’t really answering a question though.
if you asked those people if they were insurrectionists or if they were patriots, what do you think they would say?
if you told them they broke the law, do you think theyd say “oh, i knew that when i did it”? i don’t.
and none of that is a lie.
>They came prepared to take hostages.
some people might have. there is no way such a conspiracy was know to all the people in the crowd though, or even all those who entered the building.
If you were following the Proud Boys without knowing they are a domestic terrorist organization acting at Trump’s command then you were wilfully turning a blind eye since 2016. Everyone that showed up to Trump’s rally was on board with the racism and violence displayed by all these groups for 4 years, and the idea of overturning the election (calling it “stop the steal” doesn’t change its intent).
if they really believed the election was stolen, then they thought the other side were the ones overturning the election.
it recently came out that the “2000 mules” movie is not based on provable evidence, but if you saw it and were alreday primed to think they were telling the truth, ending up at j6 makes you a victim of a fraud, not an insurrectionist.
edit: that movie came out after j6, but the group who did all the lying has been around since 2k9 and they spread this kind of nonsense all the time.
some people just aren’t very online, especially the older folks. even those who had some awareness that proudboys exists may not have had any inkling they were there.
> They assaulted police, broke down barriers, and threatened to kill people.
most of the people in the crowd did none of that, and it surpasses reason to suppose that they chose to be a part of such a crowd with premeditation.