It’s possible that the enforcement of a rate limit isn’t because of AI scraping, but rather because they failed to migrate before the June 30th deadline.
Imagine if this guy had the controls to the oxygen on Mars
he would definitely sell access to it per second.
If it looks like O’Hare and it talks like O’Hare…
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[A screenshot of a section of an article by the news outlet “Engadget”. Text reads as follows.]
More platform instability could be in Twitter’s near future. In 2018, Twitter signed a $1 billion contract with Google to host some of its services on the company’s Google Cloud servers. [Hyperlink begins] Platformer reports [Hyperlink ends] Twitter recently refused to pay the search giant ahead of the contract’s [Highlighted in yellow] June 30th renewal date. [Highlighting ends] Twitter is reportedly rushing to move as many services off of Google’s infrastructure before the contract expires, but the effort is “running behind schedule,” putting some tools, including Smyte, a platform the company [Hyperlink begins] acquired in 2018 [Hyperlink ends] to bolster its moderation capabilities, in danger of going offline.
^I’m a human volunteer transcribing posts in a format compatible with screen readers, for blind and visually impaired users!^
You’re doing important work! Just wanted to drop a small correction, the news outlet is actually called “engadget” Cheers!
Autocorrect I swear to God…
Sorry about that! I was doing some quickly this morning while on hold calling the doctor’s office so I guess I didn’t proofread it great. Thank you!
I see that a lot of people complain about reddit, twitter, and whatever mainstream website completely fuck the consumer, but fail to realize one crucial thing. The only time change happens in mob settings is when the pain of no change is greater than the pain of change. I applaud Elon, spez, and who ever else wishes to put there services behind their paywall whether it’s an API or just simply viewing tweets. Anyone in the know knows that it’s a crock of shit and anyone who isn’t is annoyed to the point where change is preferable. The sooner people figure out posting information, entertainment, and other forms of media/knowledge to the benefit of a company is horrendous the better. Now we have the opportunity to get rid of the corporate greed and basically open-source peoples knowledge from around the globe. Although like with reddit, mob mentality poses a real threat to communities like this one, I trust that you all are normal and level headed individuals who can come to disagreements but still respect eachother (as corny as that sounds). I much prefer it over giving more information to companies who use it to profit off of my content, while I receive nothing.
*Edit: Thank you kind stranger for the reddit gold! Glad you spent real hard cash so I can have reddit premium and reddit coins! The lovely people at reddit will be spending your money sitting on a yacht eating grapes in one hand and lobster in the other. I’m sure they are real thankful too! :) *
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It’s so fucking funny how Twitter and Reddit are imploding on the exact same day lmao.
Spez did say Musk’s Twitter was something to be admired and emulated lol
They seem really aligned in their goals then!
You mean he finally did something right? 🤣
Regardless of whether you mean Musk or Spez: no. He did not do anything right. Probably hasn’t for years.
Not to sound paranoid, but it’s kind of worrying.
In recent years, these sites have been used to pass information quickly during crisis. This can be anything like natural disaster, or uprising and protests.
These big aggregators being incompetently, mismanaged and taken down from public use at the same time, makes me wonder if it’s an attempt to quash communication that’s not coming from a government or mega-corp.
The revolution will not be televised… by the people.
Yeahhhh, I’ve been getting less news information since moving to Lemmy. The communities are here, but they have some growing to do.
And then there’s the issue of them growing into the correct servers. For example, my first day here I caught a mod on lemmy.ml banning a user for posting an Axios article about China on World News because “Orientalism”. The article was a pretty common western take on the Xi Xinping succession plan. Really nothing uniquely anti-China. That especially raises eyebrows given the many conversations had about Lemmy’s communist roots from its devs.
Which isn’t to say Lemmy as a whole is tainted - just the dev community, lemmy.ml. So I ethically feel the need to avoid their World News community and only use lemmy.world’s World News community, but that places me into an even smaller and more split community, giving me even less information. All I can think is that I need to be the change I want to see and intentionally post to/comment on the lemmy.world World News community.
You should try Mastodon for news, it does a better job of it currently. I think lemmy will step up soon but it’s not there yet.https://assortedflotsam.com/@NewsBot/
End-of-quarter. Companies often make decisions quarter by quarter and 6/30 was the last day of Q2.
I always forget how important quarters are in the business world.
Companies would rather cut their noses of in the end of a quarter, to claim a weight loss, than do something that would spell positive results for its lifetime…
Yeah, You’d think they would care more about WHOLE dollars!
…I’ll just let myself out
50 Cent’s success as a business man suddenly starts making a lot more sense, eh?
I work in financial reporting. Hard thing for me to forget. Our stuff could suffer literal days long outages and like 99% of our clients wouldn’t care. But when a quarter rolls around? We need like 99.9999999% uptime through it.
I swear quarters are the only time C level people are doing any sort of work.
Is reddit actually imploding or is it just business as usual?
It’s too early to tell but I’m spending more time on Lemmy.
Depends on where you go.
Subs like r/worldnews and r/tech have bottom of the barrel comments, but still manage to get some posts.
r/IAmA had many of the mods leave, so the remaining ones are stopping all “out of Reddit” activities, like recruiting celebrities, verifying identities, and so on. It’s pretty much worthless now.
Small niche subs are still working, but the equivalent communities on Lemmy are getting better quality right now.
Worldnews has always skewed a little to the right but the comments I read on a post about the immigrants drowning absolutely disgusted me
There have been some posts where the comments have been 100% memes and off-topic.
IMHO the strongest point of news aggregators like Reddit, is the extra information that isn’t in the linked article, otherwise there is no benefit over an RSS feed reader.
There are also probably many bot answers now at the top.
a little to the right
Not just a little.
I was wrongly banned from that place three years ago for posting a comment that was critical of how Saudi Arabia and other conservative Middle Eastern nations treat women. I’d say they’re far from a right-wing place.
Most of my favorite smaller communities on Reddit (50-500k members) are gone permanently. A couple of them were basically forums run by a niche YouTuber with a couple of helper mods, to talk about topics related to their channel. Those people didn’t want to deal with trying to use Reddit anymore, so they just closed down. It’s basically impossible to bring a community like that back, when the person it exists around is gone.
I don’t see Reddit stepping in for all of those smaller communities, so they’re just gone entirely. And that was where most of the value was for me. So yeah, its completely worthless to me at this point to even use Reddit.
A few subs like r/news, r/leagueoflegends and r/worldnews crossed the picket line without so much as acknowledging the blackout.
Out of curiosity, what app are you using to post with? I notice that your comment posted three times.
I’m on lemmy.world and jerboa seems to constantly log me out after a relatively short period of time. I’ve also switched to lift off and that seems to be a bit better. Just as many errors but I don’t need to back all the way out to log in again all the time
Try wefwef.app!
I’ve been wondering. I’m not giving them the satisfaction of getting the traffic so I can check, but who knows, really.
for me it’s been a slow process to transfer my reddit addiction to lemmy, so i’m still somewhat on there, but it’s nowhere close to what it has been like before the protests. a lot of my communities are still closed, others have reopened but there’s a noticeably lower volume.
reopen/stay closed discussions also show an interesting pattern of skewing more and more towards reopen the longer they go on, suggesting that the people who want reddit to stay closed have left, which is consistent with how the rest of the platform feels.
i doubt that many lurkers have seen the same effect yet (in fact, i noticed a pattern with the people expressing support for reopen, that they rarely comment at all, so my guess is the lurkers heavily favor reopening) but we’ll likely see a delayed effect in their numbers and/or engagement as well, as the content they’re supplied gets fewer and lower quality.
It comes down to finances, right? Hard to tell what those currently look like, but I read that their evaluation estimate dropped by something like 7% to 5,5 billion USD in recent time.
That was as of May 31st, before any of the drama. So it’s too soon to tell what the impact was from June’s events.
I, and many others, truly believe it is deliberate and orchestrated, primeraly to shut down the likes of r/superstonk and other subs that are fighting wall street corruption.
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This is not “Another theory”. This is a great discription of what wall street are doing. It has the added bonus of keeping even you, someone with there eyes open, distracted and not seeing how the Banks, hedge funds and “market makers” are running the show.
They have built a system to take all the money from the people and provide nothing in return.
They control majority shares in all the major news outlets and control the narrative.
If one person’s looks at this and checks our DRSGME.COM it will be worth it. (or read the endless DD in r/superstonk but as I’m here I don’t really wanna encourage anyone to go to reddit, fuck spez)
Buy DRS & Book GME then HODL (repeat where possible 😁, see you on the moon)
I have 4 GME and not DRS… I live in Denmark. Would it be worth it to DRS?
100%. If they are not in your name your broker can and do lend them (to short against us) also more importantly they can and will sell them whenever they want for any price. Then claim it was for your own safety due to it being a volatile stock. If it’s not in your name (DRS’d) then you do not own it.
Just checked, and it’ll cost me about 3 times the worth of the 4 stocks I have. Not exactly a sound investment when I’m not looking to get more.
Hold
Hodl
I don’t know what will happen with Twitter. Maybe it succeeds, maybe it fails, maybe it just keeps humming along in mediocrity. But what I do know is that wherever it ends up, there was surely a much simpler way to get there.
Well he did try pulling out the cables going into the server clusters. Maybe he got tired and bored before he could pull them all out
Twitter was an important unifying communications tool during the Arab Spring. The Arab spring was a threat to biz as usual in places like Saudi Arabia. The second largest investor in Twitter is Saudi Arabia.
Saudi Arabia killed and dismembered a journalist from the US, more or less in plain sight. Elon is now killing and dismembering Twitter in plain sight to limit its power as a unifying tool that stands as a demonstrable, active threat to capitalism and oligarchs around the world.
Billionaires do favors for other billionaires. It’s part of why spez is trying to tank Reddit. Remember how dangerous Reddit was to capitalism’s status quo around the time of GME/Robinhood/Antiwork recently.
The specific moment we’re in right now is meant to shatter consolidated organizing power on Reddit as we splinter into several smaller alternative platforms (or for some, disconnect entirely). Not saying we shouldn’t be in Lemmy, but calling out the larger reality of the moment.
Billionaires do favors for other billionaires.
That’s a bit too much conspiracy for my taste, but for sure, billionaires don’t do anything for our good.
Exactly. Billionairs look out for themselves first and foremost. They try to maximise their profit.
Musk wants to push more people to pay for verified. The reddit board (not only Spez) wants people to download their app to make it seem like their growing right before their IPO, while simultaneously forcing more ad views. Probably downloading the app also lets them track a lot of extra data about you as well.
No conspiracy needed to explain all this.
The more I’ve been watching this whole thing play out, the more I’m inclined to believe that something like this is possible.
Unfortunately for these dipshits masquerading as geniuses, the genie is out of the bottle, and there’s no way he’s getting corked back in. The internet is really all we need, and in the event of the mass coordination required to organize a protest or anything of the sort, the first best option will win. Whether that’s Signal, or Lemmy, or Facebook, or whatever. Necessity is the mother of invention and the amount of resources that a pissed off population has will always win out in the long-term. Hell, we’ll pull a fucking sneaker net if we really have to.
Reddit has already been compromised for a few years now anyways. I noticed when they started banning people for not subscribing to group think or the more recent examples of permabanning users for anti-Russian rhetoric. There are only a few vestiges of Aaron’s original dream of Reddit, found in places like Antiwork or WSB, but they’re a drop in a bucket full of site-wide dogshit.
i wonder if we will end using personal webpages with FOSS/affordable domains and integration to forums and video platforms, just to avoid some crazy CEO screwing our content again.
i think social media was good, but we gave the CEOs too much power over our content and accounts.
so… we went from “social media is where society creates media” to “social media is where tech CEO’s control and keep society’s media hostage”.
i wonder if we will end using personal webpages with FOSS/affordable domains and integration to forums and video platforms, just to avoid some crazy CEO screwing our content again.
That’s what we had before. And it never stopped to exist, it just dwindled out for convenience.
- no more personal website but just a “facebook page”, for convenience
- no integration between sites, just a few huge ones, for convenience
- no customisation and personal expression but large, uniformised experience, for convenience
- no small hosting and individual presence online, just a few massive (corporate) infrastructures graciously given to us, for convenience
- no control over policies and content, just be happy with what our generous overlord allows us to do, for convenience
The “fediverse” is a step in the good direction, but as long as the general user don’t care, these huge services will keep being the “main” internet for the forseeable future. Even abusing the userbase and getting batshit crazy with rules and restrictions isn’t stopping them.
Meanwhile, some of us are happy on out littler corner of the internet, using RSS to see what’s new on individual websites, and depending on services that are either sanely hosted or even self-hosted and interoperable. But that’s not for everyone.
thank you for your reply. yes, i agree with your comment.
it’s like internet freedom is a forever refugee in constant diaspora, as it is always forced to exile itself from the places conquered by economic and sociopolitic warmongers who only seek profit and population control.
all the time, over and over. one jump every few years.
but we will make it! ^^
This is hilarious. Elon musk has shown he’s a moron. He’s a serial lier. Elon Musk has once again proven himself to be a foolish and dishonest individual.
and yet there are people who vehemently defend him. they scare me tbh, makes one wonder if they are paid shills or just voluntary ass-kissers.
Well, something like 82% of people in Russia support Putin. A bunch of other countries, like China, which had 75% of people polled stating that the Russia/Ukraine conflict was good for China. Bush 2 had overwhelming support during the early-mid 2000s. Hitler still has fanatics and followers. There will always be a segment of the population willing to straight up murder others, in order to make their own lives more comfortable, no matter how misguided their ideology is.
A bunch of other countries, like China, which had 75% of people polled stating that the Russia/Ukraine conflict was good for China.
It kinda is in some ways because it’s basically left China as Russia’s only option for a lot of import/export, so China gets a ton of leverage in determining prices. It’s also solidifying China as a regional hegemon and opens up a lot of opportunities for China diplomatically.
I wouldn’t go as far as to say the conflict is good, but there are benefits and it’s not as simple as “people are brainwashed”
Okay then, when surveyed in 2022, 40% of Chinese residents polled said that they support the Russian invasion, and another 30% said the actions weren’t necessarily right, but should be considered. Sounds pretty fucking brainwashed to me.
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Count me in that 30%
Russia’s invasion was wrong, but it goes back to the Euromaiden government upheaval and that should be considered. Russia isn’t just a crazy warband of orcs that wanted to restart the Tsar’s empire for no reason. What’s brainwashed about that?
What can i say ? I just don´t care anymore about twitter. Also any misfortune for space Karen is just a plus at this point
I especially enjoy that, no matter how much he drives the value down, he’s always going to owe the full value of the loans.
Yeah and he used tesla actions as a collateral. So if he is not able to make money to pay for the loans, he will lose control of Tesla. I´m savoring every moment that things are blowing up in his face. After this venture fails, he will probably still be rich, but surely not a billionaire anymore and i will vicariously enjoy his fall from billionaire extraordinaire to just a legacy common stock millionaire.
Don’t you know? Paying your bills is woke
“Bills” is now considered a slur on Twitter.
I used to work for a local company that sold parts to Tesla. They were a huge nightmare and wouldn’t pay us. I think that is their whole deal. Not paying the small companies.
FUCK them
Unfortunately that sort of behaviour is common in many sectors where large companies subcontract with smaller companies.
The tactic basically created the whole factoring concept (buying invoices, or using invoices as security for a “loan”/credit).
Over here in Sweden it was construction companies that initially fuelled the development, and the large companies basically required very long payment terms (60+ days) from their subcontractors and then waited to the very last day to dispute the invoice by complaining on some part of the work, further delaying payment. A small subcontractor could often not front being out that much money (2+ months of salaries, materials and other operating costs, cost of fighting the dispute etc) and ended up going bust. Enter financial institutions buying (or “lending” with the invoice as security) the invoice, letting the subcontractor get paid immediately, but of course not the full amount since the factoring company wants to profit from the deal. The factoring companies being backed by large financial institutions (banks typically) have enough money that they can sit out those long payment terms and other “bullshit” since they know those large construction companies ARE good for the money they are owed EVENTUALLY.
Still carves into the margins for the small actors.
Wow such a toxic mechanism should be banned, if I was the small company i would literally perma-call their offices and spam emails all day until payment is sent
I would argue 50% payment upfront and 50% on delivery could be somewhat of a solution, worst case scenario they don’t pay on delivery and you wait for half payment
I used to work at an electronics manufacturer in the US and our vendors had the same deals etched out in their invoices.
As a small business/consultant, I generally won’t work for larger corporations, and when I do I get a retainer up front. I don’t have the time or the lawyers to chase down bad accounts. Even for small clients, anything new is 1/3 to 1/2 up front and it’s applied to the final balance (ie you pay 1/3, but when I progress bill that deposit doesn’t get credited to the bill. When I send my final bill for completed work, that’s when I apply the deposit).
Sometimes I’ll send a proposal and get push back on my terms (I don’t accept hold harmless agreements). Most of the time I get my way. The rest I refer to a large firm (that can afford lawyers) 100 miles away.
And that’s especially a thing in specialized industries. If you manufacture e.g. car parts then there only is a handful of companies possibly buying your products at all, and that one product you specifically designed for one particular car manufacturer you naturally can only sell to that one company anyway. So you simply cannot afford to decide not to do business with one of your customers just because they play dirty games when it comes to paying the bills.
Sounds like Trump
Sounds like Elon
Sounds like rich entitled cunts
The Trump playbook.
this is old information being recycled to spread misinformed? they renewed their hosting with google several weeks ago.
Probably more related to this: https://sfba.social/@sysop408/110639435788921057
What is this guy’s problem?
💀
Someone owes some Russian & Middle Eastern Oligarchs a lot of money for his Twitter buying fiasco. Same as Trump did for his fiascos. The business model is just them doing what they were told to do.
Lol, what?
He is one of the richest oligarchs in the world, its people like him that the whole system caters to.
Nobody is controlling him, he can do whatever the fuck he wants and he just happens to want a lot of dumb shit.
It’s not like he just wrote a check. He took out loans and got other investors to sign on to fund the Twitter purchase. Even someone as wealthy as him has to answer to others.
When all this crap started, my guess was that he is some sort of captured asset that’s using his position to sabotage the platform to hinder free speech. Initially, he was so strongly targeting any anti-trump/anti-republican assets that it seemed blatantly obvious, but my money is on Russia or China. China being the more obvious option, given they supply a lot of Tesla’s materials.
That’s all conjecture of course, he could just be an insane despot cutting his nose off to spite his face like Steve Huffman.
I had a similar thought… It stands to reason.
Seems to be utilizing the Trump business model, where the check is perpetually in the mail.
Someone owes some Russian & Middle Eastern Oligarchs a lot of money for his Twitter buying fiasco. Same as Trump did for his fiascos. The business model is just them doing what they were told to do.
“Russia controlls our oligarchs”
Is something that I would have preferred if it stayed on reddit
Someone owes some Russian & Middle Eastern Oligarchs a lot of money for his Twitter buying fiasco. Same as Trump did for his fiascos. The business model is just them doing what they were told to do. In this case take down social media.
Dude wtf?
https://lemmy.world/comment/735384
https://lemmy.world/comment/735849
You have an agenda or something?
Our oligarchs are the most powerful in the world, they are perfectly capable of being assholes without “being controllesd by Russia”.
Stop being such a redditor
Is this the first use of being such a Redditor as an insult on Lemmy?
Are you actually so new to the internet you’ve never seen the same thing posted multiple times when there are server issues? You can find a dozen examples of this on practically every post right now.
And yes, Musk’s main backes in his Twitter purchase are Saudi and Russian. You would be absolutely blind to think that has nothing to do with his actions. Twitter’s content has bent further and further right, towards the general russo-slurping conservative side of things, ever since he took over.
Why do you think they got rid of the “state backed media” tag on RT and others?
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/10/28/saudis-kingdom-holding-company-to-maintain-twitter-stake https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musks-twitter-takeover-faces-backlash-over-saudi-financing-1755606 https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/technology/elon-musks-twitter-bid-leans-on-financier-linked-to-russian-tycoon/articleshow/92093745.cms?from=mdr
If you don’t like those sources just search for others. This is public information, not subject to argument.
Doesn’t sound like a problem to me.
Im enjoying the shit show Elon is providing. It’s definitely entertaining watching a “genius” at work.
Twitter isn’t paying any bills. They have a contract with us as well and haven’t been paying anything for months.
What business do they have with you if you can say?
I can’t but it’s part of what enables their platform.
You sell rectum stretchers?
