Someone who doesnāt play any instrument, including singing. There are unending numbers of people who will tell you theyāre not musicians because they donāt even try. Anyone who doesnāt try but tells you theyāre a musician is a liar. Thatās the point.
load of gish gallop
Nothing that Iāve said should have been overwhelming or inundating. My premise is incredibly simple. You just keep misunderstanding it repeatedly because it seems that youāre not even reading whatās being said.
Weāre not talking about interpretation from the Bible. Weāre talking about the definition used by Catholics that is part of their dogma and doctrine. Weāre talking about quoting the (supposed) words of Jesus in places where there is no debate on the meaning. You can try to dismiss and downplay what Iāve said all you want but none of what Iāve said is inaccurate whereas your response is full of inaccuracies and misunderstandings.
Someone who doesnāt play any instrument, including singing.
Lol, so someone who wants to claim to be a musician but canāt even sing badly (or rap badly, because rappers are still musicians)? Thatās who weāve excluded? Wow, what a useful definition for musician. š
Who is this person who wants to go around claiming musician creds and then canāt attempt a couple of bars?
Congratulations, you understand my example. Thatās my entire point. Someone who does not play or sing cannot possibly be a musician. If you donāt do the thing that defines the word that means āsomeone who does this thingā, then you canāt be that thing. Thatās the argument! If someone claims to be a Christian and doesnāt follow the example of the figurehead of Christianity, then they are not a Christian. If you donāt like the musician example, come up with a better one.
Someone who does not play or sing cannot possibly be a musician.
But given that bar thereās nobody that could claim to be a musician and then not just shit out a couple of bars and be one by your definition. So, again, your definition sucks (EDIT: and it happens to actually prove that what someone else is saying about āclaiming to be a Christian makes you a Christianā is essentially trueā¦because I can claim to be a musician and then sing a little happy birthday and I fit your definition).
If someone claims to be a Christian and doesnāt follow the example of the figurehead of Christianity, then they are not a Christian.
Now itās āfollow the exampleā. So is that words? Actions? Both? Who determines what is āChrist-likeā? You? Are you the guy who determines who is and isnāt a Christian?
Are you being intentionally obtuse here or what? The definition isnāt about being capable of singing (even poorly). Itās about whether or not the person does that thing in their life. If you donāt like the music example, choose a different profession. For example, if I claim to be a golfer, I canāt be one if I donāt play golf. I canāt claim to be a golfer and then āshit out golf clubs and whack a ball aroundā. Youāre just being an asshole and arguing semantics over the fact that someone can use their voice. Normal, reasonable people understand that āshit[ting] out a couple barsā doesnāt make one a music anymore than hitting a golf ball at a party makes you a golfer. Stop being disingenuous.
Now itās āfollow the exampleā
What do you mean here? This implies that my position on this has changed somewhere. Iāve already clarified in my 1st response to you that ābelief in Jesusā isnāt enough to make someone Christian. Itās what started your whole fake confusion about being a musician. This kind of nonsense just leads me to believe that youāre not arguing in good faith here (which is already obvious but I try give people the benefit of the doubt).
To answer your question, Christ determines what is āChrist-likeā. I would think that was obvious and implied but now you just seem to be pretending to be confused.
Youāre just being an asshole and arguing semantics over the fact that someone can use their voice. Normal, reasonable people understand that āshit[ting] out a couple barsā doesnāt make one a music anymore than hitting a golf ball at a party makes you a golfer. Stop being disingenuous.
Youāve done nothing but argue semantics the entire thread. Iāve golfed before but Iām not a golfer largely because I donāt claim to be nor aspire to be a golfer despite having golfed at one point. Peopleās identity is to a large extent wrapped up in the claims they make about themselves. I understand that thereās a common understanding of what a āgolferā or a ābarberā or a āChristianā is, but youāre the guy trying to invent the new one. Iām trying to follow your ālogicā here to get an actual definition of a Christian that excludes this Mike Johnson character (for instance).
If someone says theyāre a Christian, says they believe in Christ (for whatever that means), and they go around spouting quotes from the Bible, theyāre a Christian by my logic. Theyāre a Christian by most peopleās logic. Youāre trying to define it some other way, so provide your criteria.
To answer your question, Christ determines what is āChrist-likeā. I would think that was obvious and implied but now you just seem to be pretending to be confused.
Well Christ isnāt around to call balls and strikes, so then by your definition nobody can be a Christian.
This is not about logic! Weāre discussing religion, for Peteās sake.
Itās not my definition, itās the definition of what it means to be a Christian from the source of the word. Itās literally in the name - Christian. Spouting Bible verses doesnāt make someone a Christian. They could be Jewish, after all! Believing in Jesus doesnāt make someone a Christian - that would mean that Muslims are Christians since they believe Jesus was simply a human prophet (rather than the son of Allah). Just because youāre intellectually lazy and because your logic only extends so far as immediately obvious āif a then bā situations doesnāt mean that thereās anything wrong with my argument.
The entire point of this thread is that āChristiansā arenāt using their own logic and definitions. They can say that āMike Johnsonā isnāt a Christian because theyāre perverting the definition of the word to include whatever specific flavor they like. Even if he did fit that specific flavor, they just move the goalposts and then he suddenly becomes ānot a Christianā again.
by your definition nobody
Yet againā¦ itās not my definition. Christ was the one that defined what it means to be Christ-like. If someoneās actions do not reflect the actions of Christ, then theyāre not āChrist-likeā. I donāt understand how much more this can be spelled out for you.
Spouting Bible verses doesnāt make someone a Christian. They could be Jewish, after all! Believing in Jesus doesnāt make someone a Christian - that would mean that Muslims are Christians since they believe Jesus was simply a human prophet (rather than the son of Allah).
Claiming to be a Christian is a large part of what it takes to be a Christian by common definition. You skipped over that part likely because itās devastating to your bad argument. š„±
EDIT: I also think itās funny that you think ābelieving in Jesusā would be as simple as believing that there was a guy that walked the Earth named Jesus that said and did some holy stuff. Believing in Jesus for most people would mean believing in his divinity, not just that oh there was this swell guy that walked around at one point.
Claiming to be a Christian means nothing. I didnāt skip anything. Itās literally the same argument as the āclaiming to be a golferā and āclaiming to be a musicianā arguments that you canāt wrap your head around.
Claiming to be a Christian is not a part of what it takes to be a Christian anymore than claiming to be Scotsman makes someone not born in Scotland one.
Edit: Your edit is even stupider than the body of your post. Satan is not a Christian yet, by your definition, he would have to believe in Jesusā divinity and would, therefore, be a Christian. This is how stupid your responses are.
Someone who doesnāt play any instrument, including singing. There are unending numbers of people who will tell you theyāre not musicians because they donāt even try. Anyone who doesnāt try but tells you theyāre a musician is a liar. Thatās the point.
Nothing that Iāve said should have been overwhelming or inundating. My premise is incredibly simple. You just keep misunderstanding it repeatedly because it seems that youāre not even reading whatās being said.
Weāre not talking about interpretation from the Bible. Weāre talking about the definition used by Catholics that is part of their dogma and doctrine. Weāre talking about quoting the (supposed) words of Jesus in places where there is no debate on the meaning. You can try to dismiss and downplay what Iāve said all you want but none of what Iāve said is inaccurate whereas your response is full of inaccuracies and misunderstandings.
Lol, so someone who wants to claim to be a musician but canāt even sing badly (or rap badly, because rappers are still musicians)? Thatās who weāve excluded? Wow, what a useful definition for musician. š
Who is this person who wants to go around claiming musician creds and then canāt attempt a couple of bars?
Your argument just sucks dude, get over yourself.
EDIT: Thanks for the downvote!
Congratulations, you understand my example. Thatās my entire point. Someone who does not play or sing cannot possibly be a musician. If you donāt do the thing that defines the word that means āsomeone who does this thingā, then you canāt be that thing. Thatās the argument! If someone claims to be a Christian and doesnāt follow the example of the figurehead of Christianity, then they are not a Christian. If you donāt like the musician example, come up with a better one.
My argument doesnāt suck. You suck.
But given that bar thereās nobody that could claim to be a musician and then not just shit out a couple of bars and be one by your definition. So, again, your definition sucks (EDIT: and it happens to actually prove that what someone else is saying about āclaiming to be a Christian makes you a Christianā is essentially trueā¦because I can claim to be a musician and then sing a little happy birthday and I fit your definition).
Now itās āfollow the exampleā. So is that words? Actions? Both? Who determines what is āChrist-likeā? You? Are you the guy who determines who is and isnāt a Christian?
Right back at ya slick.
Are you being intentionally obtuse here or what? The definition isnāt about being capable of singing (even poorly). Itās about whether or not the person does that thing in their life. If you donāt like the music example, choose a different profession. For example, if I claim to be a golfer, I canāt be one if I donāt play golf. I canāt claim to be a golfer and then āshit out golf clubs and whack a ball aroundā. Youāre just being an asshole and arguing semantics over the fact that someone can use their voice. Normal, reasonable people understand that āshit[ting] out a couple barsā doesnāt make one a music anymore than hitting a golf ball at a party makes you a golfer. Stop being disingenuous.
What do you mean here? This implies that my position on this has changed somewhere. Iāve already clarified in my 1st response to you that ābelief in Jesusā isnāt enough to make someone Christian. Itās what started your whole fake confusion about being a musician. This kind of nonsense just leads me to believe that youāre not arguing in good faith here (which is already obvious but I try give people the benefit of the doubt).
To answer your question, Christ determines what is āChrist-likeā. I would think that was obvious and implied but now you just seem to be pretending to be confused.
Youāve done nothing but argue semantics the entire thread. Iāve golfed before but Iām not a golfer largely because I donāt claim to be nor aspire to be a golfer despite having golfed at one point. Peopleās identity is to a large extent wrapped up in the claims they make about themselves. I understand that thereās a common understanding of what a āgolferā or a ābarberā or a āChristianā is, but youāre the guy trying to invent the new one. Iām trying to follow your ālogicā here to get an actual definition of a Christian that excludes this Mike Johnson character (for instance).
If someone says theyāre a Christian, says they believe in Christ (for whatever that means), and they go around spouting quotes from the Bible, theyāre a Christian by my logic. Theyāre a Christian by most peopleās logic. Youāre trying to define it some other way, so provide your criteria.
Well Christ isnāt around to call balls and strikes, so then by your definition nobody can be a Christian.
This is not about logic! Weāre discussing religion, for Peteās sake.
Itās not my definition, itās the definition of what it means to be a Christian from the source of the word. Itās literally in the name - Christian. Spouting Bible verses doesnāt make someone a Christian. They could be Jewish, after all! Believing in Jesus doesnāt make someone a Christian - that would mean that Muslims are Christians since they believe Jesus was simply a human prophet (rather than the son of Allah). Just because youāre intellectually lazy and because your logic only extends so far as immediately obvious āif a then bā situations doesnāt mean that thereās anything wrong with my argument.
The entire point of this thread is that āChristiansā arenāt using their own logic and definitions. They can say that āMike Johnsonā isnāt a Christian because theyāre perverting the definition of the word to include whatever specific flavor they like. Even if he did fit that specific flavor, they just move the goalposts and then he suddenly becomes ānot a Christianā again.
Yet againā¦ itās not my definition. Christ was the one that defined what it means to be Christ-like. If someoneās actions do not reflect the actions of Christ, then theyāre not āChrist-likeā. I donāt understand how much more this can be spelled out for you.
Claiming to be a Christian is a large part of what it takes to be a Christian by common definition. You skipped over that part likely because itās devastating to your bad argument. š„±
EDIT: I also think itās funny that you think ābelieving in Jesusā would be as simple as believing that there was a guy that walked the Earth named Jesus that said and did some holy stuff. Believing in Jesus for most people would mean believing in his divinity, not just that oh there was this swell guy that walked around at one point.
Claiming to be a Christian means nothing. I didnāt skip anything. Itās literally the same argument as the āclaiming to be a golferā and āclaiming to be a musicianā arguments that you canāt wrap your head around.
Claiming to be a Christian is not a part of what it takes to be a Christian anymore than claiming to be Scotsman makes someone not born in Scotland one.
Edit: Your edit is even stupider than the body of your post. Satan is not a Christian yet, by your definition, he would have to believe in Jesusā divinity and would, therefore, be a Christian. This is how stupid your responses are.