• fosforus@sopuli.xyz
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        11 months ago

        He instigated an insurrection and tried to overturn legal election results. How specific do you need to go?

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          11 months ago

          how exactly did he do such a thing? has he been convicted of such a thing? has such a thing been proven? or are you just biased in your opinion?

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            11 months ago

            how exactly did he do such a thing?

            By talking to his TDS supporters, inciting them to try an insurrection, long before January 6th 2021, but especially on that day. By pressuring election authorities to overturn legal results. By directly demanding Mike Pence to not ratify the results, and claiming the he even could do such a thing.

            Why the justice system of USA hasn’t placed him in federal prison yet is anyone’s guess. Perhaps he’ll be there some day, but I will be less surprised if he escapes justice altogether.

            If your biased opinion refuses to acknowledge these facts (which don’t care about your feelings!), I don’t think we should talk any more.

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                11 months ago

                nothing here has been proven. you yourself said that. facts dont care about your feeling right?!

                The process of proving a thing in a judicial sense is different from proving it in a scientific sense. The judicial process relies on the prosecution making their decisions on what to pursue, and then how well they handle it in court, how the judges react to it, all these icky and unreliable human things. The scientific truth is about … truth. It’s the latter type of fact that doesn’t care about your feelings. The judicial truth cares about at least somebody’s feelings, and quite a lot.

                I’m talking about the scientific kind of truth. Absolute truth. And that absolute truth is that Trump obviously tried to instigate an insurrection. This is obvious if you just read the transcript of his speeches, and the facts we know about on how he tried to influence the results. Knowledge on whether he did it by evil volition or by his personal incompetence only exists inside his head, if even in there anymore.

                Whether he goes to prison as he deserves to relies on how well the court system works. How funny is it that Trump supporters were calling for Clinton to go to jail in 2016 for no reason and now Trump is facing actual reasons?