I’m in the US.

I haven’t discerned a pattern, by the media, in the titling of the horror currently underway.

I’ve seen Al Jazeera use both phrasings. I haven’t determined that other media sites are hardlining their terminology either, but I notice the difference as I browse.

Maybe it doesn’t mean anything, but these days people seem extra sensitive about names.

  • downpunxx@kbin.social
    1125·
    1 year ago

    Gaza was given to Arabs for self rule and determination in 2005, all Jews left Gaza, even Jewish graveyards were dug up and moved, it was theirs to do with as they liked.

    They’ve spent the last 18 years making into a terrorist Disneyland with a dozen Islamofascist terrorist organizations with the stated goal of killing Jews and destroying the state of Israel, they’ve fired hundreds of thousands of missiles into Israel indiscriminately targeting civilians, and launched countless cross borders attacks against Jewish civilians, including one that caused the largest loss of Jewish life in any single day, anywhere, since the Holocaust on October 7th.

    They were given Gaza to live in freedom and self determination, they used it to kill Jews. They were warned. They chose to ignore the warnings.

    These acts of terrorism were perpetrated by the entire Gazan community, they voted for Hamas, and allowed Hamas to rule their government for the last 17 years, Hamas and all the other Islamic terrorists in Gaza are not outsiders, they were born in Gaza of Gazans, they were raised in Gaza, they were educated in Gaza, they married and had children of their own in Gaza, their Parents, teachers, mosques, hospitals, are all in Gaza, from which they use to hid and store weapons to attack Jews, Hamas, PIJ and all the other Islamic terrorist in Gaza ARE Gaza, there has been no uprising in Gaza, there have only been attacks on Israel. This is what Gazans have supported and sacrificed for in every way they possibly could.

    And now it’s here. I do hope they enjoy what they’ve worked generationaly to achieve.

    There will be no ceasefire this time.

    • bostonbananarama@lemmy.world
      145·
      1 year ago

      Who is they? Hamas didn’t win a majority in the 2006 election. Then they fought a civil war and took autocratic control in 2007. So what are you talking about when you say they? It certainly isn’t all Gazans or Palestinians.

      You’re championing genocide and the wholesale slaughter of civilians. Do you honestly believe that a terrorist attack allows the unrestrained murder of civilians?

        • PupBiru@kbin.social
          82·
          1 year ago

          that word doesn’t mean what you think it means

          actually, i think it’s you that doesn’t understand what the word means so here’s the definition:

          Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part. In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five “acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group”. These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly.

          partial targeting is still genocide

          • A_Dude@lemmy.ninjaEnglish
            211·
            1 year ago

            1st of all, Hamas terrorist attacks also fall into that definition. Secondly, IDF has not targeted any "national, ethnical, racial or religious group”. IDF goals are to eliminate Hamas militants inside the Gaza strip. The general Gazan population was given weeks of advance notice and provided safe/r places to evacuate to. If 100% of the civilians had chosen to cooperate, and Hamas had not forcibly used them as human shields, then there would be no casualties. Clearly that is not a realistic scenario, but it’s important to understand the genocide definition requires intent . IDF is actually attempting to minimize casualties whenever possible. Unfortunately it often isn’t.

            • bostonbananarama@lemmy.world
              1·
              1 year ago

              The general Gazan population was given weeks of advance notice and provided safe/r places to evacuate to. If 100% of the civilians had chosen to cooperate, and Hamas had not forcibly used them as human shields, then there would be no casualties.

              So any country can say all civilians in an area must leave immediately. And if they don’t, it’s ok to indiscriminately murder civilians? Are you insane?

              IDF is actually attempting to minimize casualties whenever possible.

              They most certainly are not. They have bombed hospitals and refugee camps after claiming that Hamas terrorists were among them. That’s a war crime.

              Intent is satisfied by reckless disregard for known dangers, if you really want to go down the legal route.

            • PupBiru@kbin.social
              1·
              1 year ago

              Hamas terrorist attacks also fall into that definition
              yup you’re absolutely right and nobody here is disputing that… this isn’t a black and white one side good one side bad situation: BOTH hamas and israel are fucking awful here… you’re also probably going to say that it’s hamas’s fault that civilians are being killed because they’re using them as human shields… also right! however, that doesn’t absolve israel of all responsibility: there’s a lot more they could be doing to reduce the civilian casualties

              civilians had chosen to cooperate
              yeah cool how about you leave your home and basically everything you own so that it can be bombed to shit and see if you just cooperate… don’t blame the people who are just bystanders

        • MuchPineapples@lemmy.world
          32·
          1 year ago

          What does religion have to do with this? Israel is a fascist state illegally colonizing Palestine in search for more lebensraum, while detaining random Palestinians for sometimes years without a trial in prisons where torture is fully accepted in what only can be described as concentration camps. All the while bombing civilians, including lots of children, and now effectively creating an open air prison without food, water and electricity where they indiscriminately bomb whoever they can as result of a nationwide hate against a specific ethic group.

          Yet some people claim they are the good guys.