These petitions are utterly pointless. Has there ever been a case where something has changed due to one of these petitions?
Also, the government responded to this back in November:
The Government was elected on a manifesto that made clear there will be no return to EU membership. However, we are determined to reset the UK-EU relationship, putting it on a more solid footing.
And honestly they are correct. Any attempt to rejoin now. Especially based on a partition with well under the 16m voters figure. Is only going to result in more anti EU bull and a growth in ukip like supporters.
The UK as a whole needs to accepthow fucking stupid leaving was. And rather will not happen untill we see the huge support wi originally had for joining.
Below that we will just repeatedly have people feeling forced one way or the other constantly refusing to partake in the spirit of the EU.
EEA is the best we will get and even that will be a fight for some time.
Good luck getting this past the Labour government. They are firmly rooted to remaining (excuse the pun) outside the EU. This is even before you attempt to get it past Conservative opposition or fringe party Reform nutters.
If the party in power isn’t going to champion this then it’s an instant no go.
Labour are dedicated to the democratic vote, which is arguably the “right” thing to do, but not necessarily the best thing to do.
Labour are dedicated to the democratic vote
ROFL
…let alone the rest of the EU. They’d be crazy to accept a UK petition for membership right now.
Why’s do you think it would be crazy to accept the UK back in?
We never should have left of course but right now I don’t think we’re ready yet to be an EU member in good standing. Not while people are listening to fuherage here, not while right-wing extremism is on the rise elsewhere in Europe.
I am a strong supporter of the EU, and won’t sign this. This country is too xenophobic, fractious, reactionary, and delusionally self-important to let them back into the union when it’s still reeling from the damage the UK caused just a few years ago.
If the UK is serious about rejoining, it will first have to stop treating EU membership like a glorified trade agreement and stepping stone to national power and influence. The EU needs community members and partners, not self-aggrandising parasites.
it will first have to stop treating EU membership like a glorified trade agreement
What do you think the EEC was?
Not the EU.
Touche
Long replaced by the EU?
Nothing from the EEC survived into the EU then? In your opinion. None of the trade agreement or treaties or policies. When it morphed into the EU all that was dropped and replaced by general cooperation amongst member states I suppose?
We’ll rejoin but you need to be patient. Give it 10 years and we’ll be in the customs union, 15 and we’ll be back to where we were in 2016 with less opt-outs.
I wanted to stay in the EU but I don’t want to rejoin.
Just look at whats going on in Hungary where Viktor Orban is essentially a dictator, and is holding back the EU on it’s Ukraine response. Look at Poland where it skirted past descent into a right wing nightmare, and even now the leftwing government are struggling at unpicking the damage. Look at the Czech Republic where it looks very likely a right wing populist government is going to take power - they’re also against Ukraine. And look at France, which is in political turmoil internally - right winger Le Pen has a good chance of being the next french president unless the centre and left can unite around an alternative.
The EU is powerless to deal with Orban, was powerless to deal with Poland as the right wing government tried to dismantle their democracy and institutions. We’ve already seen what’s happening in the US play out in Europe - twice! And the EU could do nothing.
We’re better off outside the EU at the moment. I never wanted to leave, but the UK is lucky to be outside the EU as it gives us a degree of flexibility and freedom to deal with the current crisis. We don’t need to be distracted by the internal problems of the EU and it’s rogue member states. Instead we’re working directly with the countries that want to work with us like France and Germany, and not having to deal with the countries that don’t like Hungary.
I wish the EU the best - I want it to succeed but ultimately it has a serious problem with how you get things done when you have countries inside holding back the EU from pursuing it’s best interests. The EU leaders talk big about grand plans and high ideals including now over defence and Ukraine, but when it comes to getting things done it only takes 1 country’s veto and there is paralysis or weak compromises. The EU needs to reform and become an actual democratic superstate but it won’t happen because again it only takes 1 country to veto progress. It’s clear Hungary will be holding the EU back when it comes to Putin for the foreseeable future. And maybe soon so will the Czech republic. And what happens in the EU if Le Pen is president of France?
No thanks.
the current crisis
What are you referring to?
TBH I hope the EU rejects them if they do apply.
As a British citizen, I hope that they are accepted, without any of the special concessions Thatcher handbagged out of Delors, and with the proviso that they adopt the Euro and enter the Schengen zone.
Why? It’s a win/win for all the same reasons the UK should have never left.
Why? Half the country voted to remain. It’s not our fault the other half are fucking morons. Make us adopt you euro, I don’t give a fuck
Half the country voted to remain.
Firstly, not everyone in the country votes. The turnout for the EU referendum was only 72.2%.
Secondly, of the non-spoiled ballots, only 48.1% were in favour of remaining. Which is not only much less than half the country but a good 1.9% away from the minimum 50% required for your statement not to be bollocks.
Woww 48.1 truly is sooo far away from 50% and not at all within a margin of error.
You know what they meant, don’t be pedantic.
a margin of error
What do you mean?
You know what they meant
Yes and I responded appropriately.
Not the op you responded to.
But
First 72% is actually a huge turnout compared to pretty much any vote in the last 50 years.
The 28% that did not vote cannot be used to argue either side of the vote. As such they must be assumed to divide as the vote was.
Same with 1.9 % spoiled ballots. As we do not have any legal none of the above option. You have absolutely no way to decide that 1.9 % between those who support or don’t. So again statistically they have to be divided as those who successfully voted are.
This is exactly why we do not count non voters or spoiled votes when deciding on an election. If 1.9% was significantly higher then other election or 72% significantly lower. Maybe some data might make sense. But the result would still be the same without further info. You would still have no ability to use them as a rejection or support for the vote.
72% is actually a huge turnout compared to pretty much any vote in the last 50 years
That doesn’t contradict anything I said.
As such they must be assumed to divide as the vote was.
This is a non sequitur.
Regardless, OP was talking about votes explicitly.
Bollocks is it non sequitur.
Non voters cannot be counted as objectors or supporters. Other then to assume the same divide as voters. Maling every comment you made statistically irrelevant to the result you are doubting.
If you fail to understand statistics please avoid discussions that are entirly about statistics.
The EU definitely wouldn’t let us back in, it was hard enough for us to get in the first time.
I believe joining the EU would boost the economy, increase global influence, improve collaboration and provide stability & freedom.
ROFL
Of the EU possibly, not Britain.
