With a push from President Donald Trump, House Republicans sent a budget blueprint to passage Tuesday, a step toward delivering his ābig, beautiful billā with $4.5 trillion in tax breaks.
Youāre the one who bragged about your assets, then tried to pivot to wages when called out.
I wasnāt bragging. Someone asked me about my āself-reliance bsā and I explained to them how and why I think I live up to my version of that
The point is about systemic issues, not personal finances.
That Democrats still havenāt fixed, despite all their years in power. And if Trump is doing such terrible thigns, then in 4 years, you all can change everything back the way you want it.
This doesnāt fully reverse Trumpās corporate tax rate cut from 35% to 21%, but it does ensure the biggest companies pay at least 15%. Not perfect, but a step in the right direction.
Great! Then again, in 4 years, you guys can get voted back in and fix all that. So there ya go!
Because Democrats try to govern responsibly while Republicans obstruct then blame Democrats for not fixing the problems.
But if that was such a great idea, they they should have won the election. So maybe thatās now what people were wanting.
That Democrats still havenāt fixed, despite all their years in power. And if Trump is doing such terrible thigns, then in 4 years, you all can change everything back the way you want it.
Classic bad faith argument. Youāre ignoring the structural hurdles I just explained about Manchin, Sinema, and GOP obstruction. As for ājust wait 4 yearsā ā thatās exactly the problem. The damage Trump does in 4 years will take decades to fix. You canāt just āchange everything backā when youāve gutted regulatory agencies, stacked courts with ideologues, and sold off public resources to private interests.
Great! Then again, in 4 years, you guys can get voted back in and fix all that. So there ya go!
Notice how youāve completely abandoned defending Trumpās policies on their merits? Youāre basically admitting theyāre harmful but saying āwho cares, we won.ā This is exactly what I meant by āfuck you, I got mineā politics. You donāt care about making things better for everyone, just āwinning.ā
But if that was such a great idea, they they should have won the election. So maybe thatās now what people were wanting.
Again with this circular logic. Winning elections doesnāt prove your policies are better for people ā it proves your messaging resonated emotionally. Most Trump voters canāt even name his specific policy positions beyond vague āmake America greatā rhetoric.
Youāve consistently dodged every substantive point about actual policy impacts. Instead, you fall back on āwe won, so we must be rightā ā which is exactly the kind of shallow, tribal thinking thatās destroying any hope of productive political discourse in this country.
Youāre ignoring the structural hurdles I just explained about Manchin, Sinema, and GOP obstruction
So how come the Democrats donāt create that sort of āobstructionā for the GOP?
The damage Trump did in 4 years will take decades to fix.
Seems like a better Dem presidential campaign should have fixed that. Seems like they may have failed you a bit in that respect.
Notice how youāve completely abandoned defending Trumpās policies on their merits?
Iām not a fucking political strategist with a degree in political science. I donāt give a fuck. I like him. I like what heās doing. And enough other people do, that they voted for him. Maybe take that into consideration
Instead, you fall back on āwe won, so we must be rightā ā which is exactly the kind of shallow, tribal thinking thatās destroying any hope of productive political discourse in this country.
Says the guy who wants to turn a conservative community into a meme community and make fun of Republicans. So why would I take anything you are saying seriously? I mean, did making fun of republicans work for you all in the election?
All I see is you mocking people who donāt agree with you or who you deem to be too stupid to make the right choices.
Iāve seen some democrat strategists stay that the Dem downfall started by not taking republican voters seriously, and indeed mocking them, as a strong root cause of why you lost.
So do you think advocating making fun of Republicans rather than strengthing democratic community building is the best way to go?
Get da fuckouttahere with your āOh youāre not having serious political discourseā bs, when you have made it your mission to make fun of republicans in a conservative community.
Now just becaue I point that out, donāt that you have really had a āgotchaā moment with me. Because I donāt really care THAT much.
In fact, I am exactly one of those who went by their gut, voted for Trump with glee just got get back and you all for mocking republicans.
Lemmy jerks making fun of every conservative was the in the forefront of my brain when I voted.
And no regrets at all. Iām happy to see it all burn down and start from scratch.
Iām not even a fucking republican. Iām an anarchist.
So how come the Democrats donāt create that sort of āobstructionā for the GOP?
Democrats arenāt saints, theyre imperfect allies at best But thereās a fundamental difference in approach. ds generally try to govern and pass legislation, while McConnell openly declared his primary goal was blocking Obamaās agenda. When Ds obstruct, itās usually on specific harmful policies, not a total blanket refusal to let the other side accomplish anything. Thereās a difference between principled opposition and sabotaging government function.
Seems like a better Dem presidential campaign should have fixed that. Seems like they may have failed you a bit in that respect.
Oh look, now youāre blaming Democrats for Republican destruction. Classic abuser logic: āWhy did you make me hurt you?ā
Iām not a fucking political strategist with a degree in political science. I donāt give a fuck. I like him. I like what heās doing. And enough other people do, that they voted for him. Maybe take that into consideration
Finally some honesty! āI donāt give a fuck about policyā - weāve reached the core of MAGA politics. You ālike what heās doingā but canāt defend any of it on substance. Pure emotion and tribalism.
Says the guy who wants to turn a conservative community into a meme community and make fun of Republicans.
Everyone needs spaces to vent and joke. Conservatives have entire media empires dedicated to spreading their misinformation and conspiracy theories. Fox News, OAN, countless Facebook groups and Telegram channels, even Lemmy instances, yet youāre mad about some memes on Lemmy who hasnāt even broken 50k MAUs?
Iāve seen some democrat strategists stay that the Dem downfall started by not taking republican voters seriously, and indeed mocking them, as a strong root cause of why you lost.
The idea that Democrats lost because we werenāt nice enough to people actively supporting policies that harm vulnerable communities is laughable. āI voted to take away healthcare from millions because someone was mean to me onlineā isnāt the flex you think it is.
IN fact, I am exactly one of those who went by their gut, voted for Trump with glee just got get back and you all for mocking republicans.
So youāre admitting you voted to hurt people out of spite? And somehow weāre the bad guys for making memes?
Iām not even a fucking republican. Iām an anarchist.
No actual anarchist would support the most authoritarian president in modern history. Youāre not an anarchist; youāre just angry and nihilistic.
You all deserve Trump.
And there it is. The mask comes off. This was never about policy or principles. Itās about hurting people you donāt like. Thanks for finally being honest about it.
Finally some honesty! āI donāt give a fuck about policyā - weāve reached the core of MAGA politics.
so you think every fucking democrat on Lemmy is some political Philosophy input and is as fucking nerdy about politics as you are? Get the fuck outta here with that.
Again, a perfect example of why you all lost. You insist that everyone has to be at your level of intelligence or they are not worth anything.
Keep it up. Youāll lose the next election too. And Iāll laugh again.
Youāre not an anarchist; youāre just angry and nihilistic.
Iām not angry at all. Iām having a fucking great time. You are angry. Iām not. At all.
And there it is. The mask comes off. Itās about hurting people you donāt like.
Guess Lemmy shouldnāt be so quick to do jerky things like turn conservative communities into meme communites that make fun of conservatives.
How that work out in the last election?
I never wore a mask. I have no desire to hurt people. But I do love how shocked you all were that your holier-than-thou attitude didnāt win any elections.
And hereās the thing. I think you actually know a lot of it was how democrat attitudes are percieved. Like you said, elections are won just by policy. Itās people skills.
Maybe all the fed people laid off can ālearn to code.ā You all will totally help them out! No worries.
You fucking laugh and mock people who arenāt in your little bubble. Now you can handle what the results of that is.
Rather than just wait/ask that a good conservative mod comes, you decide to mock conservatives. Just like what you are doing with this community.
I promise you this: Whether I am on Lemmy or not, banned or not, I will never ever ever EVER vote for a Democrat. Because of what I have seen on here. I would rather watch the world burn down and start from sticks and stones.
You specifically mock and make fun of people who arenāt in your little circle. And take glee in the mocking.
YOU, yes, YOU deserve Trump. And I will fucking laugh about it every single day until Trump leaves office.
Nah, Iām not mad. Iām laughing and I feel like itās totally just that you all got your asses handed to you.
so you think every fucking democrat on Lemmy is some political Philosophy input and is as fucking nerdy about politics as you are?
No, but most people who vote care about at least some policies that affect their lives. Youāve spent this entire conversation dodging every policy point while openly declaring vote purely based on spite. Huge difference.
You insist that everyone has to be at your level of intelligence or they are not worth anything.
Never said that. I said policy matters more than tribal politics. Youāre the one who keeps bringing up intelligence, which is telling. Nobody said you need a PHD level understanding of politics, just reading up on the policies themselves should not be that huge of an ask.
Iām not angry at all. Iām having a fucking great time.
Your all-caps rants, excessive swearing, and āI will never ever ever EVER vote for a Democratā suggest otherwise. People having a great time donāt usually type like theyāre screaming or have to constantly say āIām not madā who are you trying to convince?
Guess Lemmy shouldnāt be so quick to do jerky things like turn conservative communities into meme communites that make fun of conservatives.
Youāre still hung up on a meme community while openly supporting politicians who are actively stripping rights from marginalized people. One of these things is not like the other.
Rather than just wait/ask that a good conservative mod comes, you decide to mock conservatives.
Thereās a difference between mocking harmful ideas and mocking people. Conservative policies have real, harmful impacts on vulnerable communities. That deserves criticism, and memes are a form of criticism.
I would rather watch the world burn down and start from sticks and stones.
And there it is again. You claim you āhave no desire to hurt peopleā then immediately say youād rather see the world burn than vote for someone who might help others. The contradiction is stunning.
Your all-caps rants, excessive swearing, and āI will never ever ever EVER vote for a Democratā suggest otherwise.
Nope. lol
Youāre still hung up on a meme community while openly supporting politicians who are actively stripping rights from marginalized people.
Not hung up on it all. Itās just that it shows how much you arenāt to be taken seriouslyāyou are just anti-republican, regardless of policy. You donāt take me seriously and I certainly donāt take you seriously.
Thereās a difference between mocking harmful ideas and mocking people.
And you actually mock people.
Conservative policies have real, harmful impacts on vulnerable communities.
In your opinion. But you didnāt win the election, so not everyone agrees with you.
There was a criticism of your actions not fitting the spirit of the community by you wanting to take it over. And you replied that there was no Lemmy rule that you had to follow the spirit of a community that you took over.
Which means that you have no intention on letting conservative voices be heard.
So following your logic, there is no Lemmy rule that I have to defend every news article I post. I post links to news articles. Nothing makes you click on them. I have every right to do it and I will continue to do it.
You lost. Thatās it. Lemmyās opinion isnāt shared by the majority of the public.
You keep posting jokes, and Iāll keep posting articles. Letās see which party wins the next election.
Not hung up on it all. Itās just that it shows how much you arenāt to be taken seriouslyāyou are just anti-republican, regardless of policy.
Iāve repeatedly tried to discuss specific policies throughout this entire conversation. Youāre the one who admitted āI donāt give a fuckā about policy and just ālike Trump.ā The projection is astounding.
And you actually mock people.
Says the person whoās spent this entire thread mocking āLemmy jerksā and celebrating othersā suffering.
In your opinion. But you didnāt win the election, so not everyone agrees with you.
Electoral victory doesnāt determine objective reality. Policies that remove healthcare, cut food assistance, and target marginalized groups cause measurable harm regardless of how many people voted for them. Thatās not opinion its documented fact.
Which means that you have no intention on letting conservative voices be heard.
Conservative voices are heard everywhere Faux News, OAN, Congress, the White House, the Supreme Court, Truth Social. The idea that conservatives are being silenced while controlling most levels of government is absurd victimhood.
So following your logic, there is no Lemmy rule that I have to defend every news article I post.
Post whatever you want. Just donāt be surprised when people call out misinformation or propaganda.
You lost. Thatās it. Lemmyās opinion isnāt shared by the majority of the public.
You keep coming back to āyou lostā like itās some devastating gotcha. Electoral outcomes donāt determine moral rightness. Segregation was once popular to.
You keep posting jokes, and Iāll keep posting articles. Letās see which party wins the next election.
And there it is youāve reduced politics to a team sport (yet again) where āwinningā matters more than the actual impact on peopleās lives
I wasnāt bragging. Someone asked me about my āself-reliance bsā and I explained to them how and why I think I live up to my version of that
That Democrats still havenāt fixed, despite all their years in power. And if Trump is doing such terrible thigns, then in 4 years, you all can change everything back the way you want it.
Great! Then again, in 4 years, you guys can get voted back in and fix all that. So there ya go!
But if that was such a great idea, they they should have won the election. So maybe thatās now what people were wanting.
Classic bad faith argument. Youāre ignoring the structural hurdles I just explained about Manchin, Sinema, and GOP obstruction. As for ājust wait 4 yearsā ā thatās exactly the problem. The damage Trump does in 4 years will take decades to fix. You canāt just āchange everything backā when youāve gutted regulatory agencies, stacked courts with ideologues, and sold off public resources to private interests.
Notice how youāve completely abandoned defending Trumpās policies on their merits? Youāre basically admitting theyāre harmful but saying āwho cares, we won.ā This is exactly what I meant by āfuck you, I got mineā politics. You donāt care about making things better for everyone, just āwinning.ā
Again with this circular logic. Winning elections doesnāt prove your policies are better for people ā it proves your messaging resonated emotionally. Most Trump voters canāt even name his specific policy positions beyond vague āmake America greatā rhetoric.
Youāve consistently dodged every substantive point about actual policy impacts. Instead, you fall back on āwe won, so we must be rightā ā which is exactly the kind of shallow, tribal thinking thatās destroying any hope of productive political discourse in this country.
So how come the Democrats donāt create that sort of āobstructionā for the GOP?
Seems like a better Dem presidential campaign should have fixed that. Seems like they may have failed you a bit in that respect.
Iām not a fucking political strategist with a degree in political science. I donāt give a fuck. I like him. I like what heās doing. And enough other people do, that they voted for him. Maybe take that into consideration
Says the guy who wants to turn a conservative community into a meme community and make fun of Republicans. So why would I take anything you are saying seriously? I mean, did making fun of republicans work for you all in the election?
All I see is you mocking people who donāt agree with you or who you deem to be too stupid to make the right choices.
Iāve seen some democrat strategists stay that the Dem downfall started by not taking republican voters seriously, and indeed mocking them, as a strong root cause of why you lost.
So do you think advocating making fun of Republicans rather than strengthing democratic community building is the best way to go?
Get da fuckouttahere with your āOh youāre not having serious political discourseā bs, when you have made it your mission to make fun of republicans in a conservative community.
Now just becaue I point that out, donāt that you have really had a āgotchaā moment with me. Because I donāt really care THAT much.
In fact, I am exactly one of those who went by their gut, voted for Trump with glee just got get back and you all for mocking republicans.
Lemmy jerks making fun of every conservative was the in the forefront of my brain when I voted.
And no regrets at all. Iām happy to see it all burn down and start from scratch.
Iām not even a fucking republican. Iām an anarchist.
You all deserve Trump.
Democrats arenāt saints, theyre imperfect allies at best But thereās a fundamental difference in approach. ds generally try to govern and pass legislation, while McConnell openly declared his primary goal was blocking Obamaās agenda. When Ds obstruct, itās usually on specific harmful policies, not a total blanket refusal to let the other side accomplish anything. Thereās a difference between principled opposition and sabotaging government function.
Oh look, now youāre blaming Democrats for Republican destruction. Classic abuser logic: āWhy did you make me hurt you?ā
Finally some honesty! āI donāt give a fuck about policyā - weāve reached the core of MAGA politics. You ālike what heās doingā but canāt defend any of it on substance. Pure emotion and tribalism.
Everyone needs spaces to vent and joke. Conservatives have entire media empires dedicated to spreading their misinformation and conspiracy theories. Fox News, OAN, countless Facebook groups and Telegram channels, even Lemmy instances, yet youāre mad about some memes on Lemmy who hasnāt even broken 50k MAUs?
The idea that Democrats lost because we werenāt nice enough to people actively supporting policies that harm vulnerable communities is laughable. āI voted to take away healthcare from millions because someone was mean to me onlineā isnāt the flex you think it is.
So youāre admitting you voted to hurt people out of spite? And somehow weāre the bad guys for making memes?
No actual anarchist would support the most authoritarian president in modern history. Youāre not an anarchist; youāre just angry and nihilistic.
And there it is. The mask comes off. This was never about policy or principles. Itās about hurting people you donāt like. Thanks for finally being honest about it.
so you think every fucking democrat on Lemmy is some political Philosophy input and is as fucking nerdy about politics as you are? Get the fuck outta here with that.
Again, a perfect example of why you all lost. You insist that everyone has to be at your level of intelligence or they are not worth anything.
Keep it up. Youāll lose the next election too. And Iāll laugh again.
Iām not angry at all. Iām having a fucking great time. You are angry. Iām not. At all.
Guess Lemmy shouldnāt be so quick to do jerky things like turn conservative communities into meme communites that make fun of conservatives.
How that work out in the last election?
I never wore a mask. I have no desire to hurt people. But I do love how shocked you all were that your holier-than-thou attitude didnāt win any elections.
And hereās the thing. I think you actually know a lot of it was how democrat attitudes are percieved. Like you said, elections are won just by policy. Itās people skills.
Maybe all the fed people laid off can ālearn to code.ā You all will totally help them out! No worries.
You fucking laugh and mock people who arenāt in your little bubble. Now you can handle what the results of that is.
Rather than just wait/ask that a good conservative mod comes, you decide to mock conservatives. Just like what you are doing with this community.
I promise you this: Whether I am on Lemmy or not, banned or not, I will never ever ever EVER vote for a Democrat. Because of what I have seen on here. I would rather watch the world burn down and start from sticks and stones.
You specifically mock and make fun of people who arenāt in your little circle. And take glee in the mocking.
YOU, yes, YOU deserve Trump. And I will fucking laugh about it every single day until Trump leaves office.
Nah, Iām not mad. Iām laughing and I feel like itās totally just that you all got your asses handed to you.
No, but most people who vote care about at least some policies that affect their lives. Youāve spent this entire conversation dodging every policy point while openly declaring vote purely based on spite. Huge difference.
Never said that. I said policy matters more than tribal politics. Youāre the one who keeps bringing up intelligence, which is telling. Nobody said you need a PHD level understanding of politics, just reading up on the policies themselves should not be that huge of an ask.
Your all-caps rants, excessive swearing, and āI will never ever ever EVER vote for a Democratā suggest otherwise. People having a great time donāt usually type like theyāre screaming or have to constantly say āIām not madā who are you trying to convince?
Youāre still hung up on a meme community while openly supporting politicians who are actively stripping rights from marginalized people. One of these things is not like the other.
Thereās a difference between mocking harmful ideas and mocking people. Conservative policies have real, harmful impacts on vulnerable communities. That deserves criticism, and memes are a form of criticism.
And there it is again. You claim you āhave no desire to hurt peopleā then immediately say youād rather see the world burn than vote for someone who might help others. The contradiction is stunning.
Nope. lol
Not hung up on it all. Itās just that it shows how much you arenāt to be taken seriouslyāyou are just anti-republican, regardless of policy. You donāt take me seriously and I certainly donāt take you seriously.
And you actually mock people.
In your opinion. But you didnāt win the election, so not everyone agrees with you.
There was a criticism of your actions not fitting the spirit of the community by you wanting to take it over. And you replied that there was no Lemmy rule that you had to follow the spirit of a community that you took over.
Which means that you have no intention on letting conservative voices be heard.
So following your logic, there is no Lemmy rule that I have to defend every news article I post. I post links to news articles. Nothing makes you click on them. I have every right to do it and I will continue to do it.
You lost. Thatās it. Lemmyās opinion isnāt shared by the majority of the public.
You keep posting jokes, and Iāll keep posting articles. Letās see which party wins the next election.
Great counterargument. Very convincing.
Iāve repeatedly tried to discuss specific policies throughout this entire conversation. Youāre the one who admitted āI donāt give a fuckā about policy and just ālike Trump.ā The projection is astounding.
Says the person whoās spent this entire thread mocking āLemmy jerksā and celebrating othersā suffering.
Electoral victory doesnāt determine objective reality. Policies that remove healthcare, cut food assistance, and target marginalized groups cause measurable harm regardless of how many people voted for them. Thatās not opinion its documented fact.
Conservative voices are heard everywhere Faux News, OAN, Congress, the White House, the Supreme Court, Truth Social. The idea that conservatives are being silenced while controlling most levels of government is absurd victimhood.
Post whatever you want. Just donāt be surprised when people call out misinformation or propaganda.
You keep coming back to āyou lostā like itās some devastating gotcha. Electoral outcomes donāt determine moral rightness. Segregation was once popular to.
And there it is youāve reduced politics to a team sport (yet again) where āwinningā matters more than the actual impact on peopleās lives
When have I ever celebated āsufferingā?
But itās your OPINION. Some donāt agree with you and they have their own moral rightness.
Like I said, you gone and keep posting your memes. Iāll keep posting links to news articles. And weāll see who wins next election.