There is certainly a broad set of circumstances where businesses can share ownership between employees, but that does not mean there are not other circumstances where work is done purely in exchange for money, benefits, or both.
If you and 4 friends want to start a pizza shop, cool do it democratically. If I do a business selling a product all myself and every other Sunday I pay someone to come lick my stamps for an hour so I can spend time with my kids, that person is not an equal partner.
Edit: to be extra clear, democracy is based on the concept that people are all functionally equals in capability, information, and perspective. Basically that countrymen are homogenous. Inside a specialized enterprise of any kind (especially small ones) this need not be true.
Edit 2: or if that’s insufficient and all businesses must be democratic, then I necessarily must be allowed to hire based on whatever criteria I so choose. Work ethic, want to keep the company aligned with my interests, religion, ability, height, anything. That’s the only way to guarantee a homogeneous pool and may also be the democratic will of the group of people who begin the business.
Reducto ad absurdum for making the clearer version of a point.
Regardless, a full coterie of 40 hour workers STILL may not be full of votes of equal quality for every topic. Representative democracy? Sure why not. Welcome to the concept of a board of directors. Picking general leadership for businesses at scale? Sure why not. General decision making and steering by direct democracy? No thanks.
It makes no sense to equally weight the opinion of your IT team and your marketing department on the next product to launch or who the target audience should be. And I can make as many of that style example as you like without devaluing in any way what it means to be a worker.
Ah got it. You see no difference in a 1 hour gig job and a 40 hour worker. You believe them to be equally invested in the job, and equally unsuited for having any decision making power.
Just really showing the kinda corpo ass brain washing you have deep in your soul brother.
Using a 1 hour gig worker shows different investment, time contribution, experience, and perspective in a clear way. The 40 hour case shows only differing experience and perspective which is not as cut and dry an example, but still perfectly applicable.
There’s absolutely no reason to be a dick about it.
There is a reason to be a dick about it. Because I see your perspective as a moral failing. A flaw in your personality that shows a high degree of selfishness. It’s like saying “there’s no reason to be a dick” when a racist kindly explains his ideals. They are abhorrent and that reflects onto the speaker.
You belittle the worker and in turn me, and everyone I hold dear. Abstracting it and dehumanizing the concept of labor so that you can maintain control of your own lil slice of the world on the backs of your workers is abhorrent to me.
Yeah I just don’t agree with you.
There is certainly a broad set of circumstances where businesses can share ownership between employees, but that does not mean there are not other circumstances where work is done purely in exchange for money, benefits, or both.
If you and 4 friends want to start a pizza shop, cool do it democratically. If I do a business selling a product all myself and every other Sunday I pay someone to come lick my stamps for an hour so I can spend time with my kids, that person is not an equal partner.
Edit: to be extra clear, democracy is based on the concept that people are all functionally equals in capability, information, and perspective. Basically that countrymen are homogenous. Inside a specialized enterprise of any kind (especially small ones) this need not be true.
Edit 2: or if that’s insufficient and all businesses must be democratic, then I necessarily must be allowed to hire based on whatever criteria I so choose. Work ethic, want to keep the company aligned with my interests, religion, ability, height, anything. That’s the only way to guarantee a homogeneous pool and may also be the democratic will of the group of people who begin the business.
Here’s the problem with your analogy. I am talking about full time 40 hour workers that everyone does. Your example is a one hour gig worker.
You had to devalue the concept of “worker” so hard to literally an hour long stamp licker to make your concept seem valid.
Reducto ad absurdum for making the clearer version of a point.
Regardless, a full coterie of 40 hour workers STILL may not be full of votes of equal quality for every topic. Representative democracy? Sure why not. Welcome to the concept of a board of directors. Picking general leadership for businesses at scale? Sure why not. General decision making and steering by direct democracy? No thanks.
It makes no sense to equally weight the opinion of your IT team and your marketing department on the next product to launch or who the target audience should be. And I can make as many of that style example as you like without devaluing in any way what it means to be a worker.
Ah got it. You see no difference in a 1 hour gig job and a 40 hour worker. You believe them to be equally invested in the job, and equally unsuited for having any decision making power.
Just really showing the kinda corpo ass brain washing you have deep in your soul brother.
Using a 1 hour gig worker shows different investment, time contribution, experience, and perspective in a clear way. The 40 hour case shows only differing experience and perspective which is not as cut and dry an example, but still perfectly applicable.
There’s absolutely no reason to be a dick about it.
There is a reason to be a dick about it. Because I see your perspective as a moral failing. A flaw in your personality that shows a high degree of selfishness. It’s like saying “there’s no reason to be a dick” when a racist kindly explains his ideals. They are abhorrent and that reflects onto the speaker.
You belittle the worker and in turn me, and everyone I hold dear. Abstracting it and dehumanizing the concept of labor so that you can maintain control of your own lil slice of the world on the backs of your workers is abhorrent to me.