• yunxiaoli@sh.itjust.works
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      4 days ago

      Yeah, mao fucked up, like the US fucked up during its great famine, sorry dust bowl. And then no famine ever again.

      To your second point, of course you can’t leave if you’re a criminal (every nation on earth has this policy) or in severe debt to the government (most nations have this policy), but you can leave under pretty much any other circumstances. I didn’t click your link but even you wouldn’t be spreading the conspiracy theory of secret global police that kidnap random yellow people for the cpc, right?

      To your third point, coal plants and any other steam generators are easy to convert over to each other once built. A nuclear plant and a coal plant share 70% of their equipment. Building one lays the foundation for the other. If you need quick base load expansion, you can’t really beat coal or diesel, and continually expanding the quality of life for 1.4 billion people requires constant base load expansion… Even better if it can later be converted into near infinite power sources like nuclear.

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          Except China operates and so far has executed multi year long plans that have been incredibly successful. On top of this they’re the reason green energy is cheap at all, given they’re the world’s producer.

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            Your words:

            coal plants and any other steam generators are easy to convert over to each other once built.

            That is hoping that in the future, something is done about climate change.

            Building new coal-powered plants as the Earth continues to warm and we know for a fact what such plants do to contribute to that is not justifiable. It doesn’t matter that they are “easy to convert” in the future. The coal is being burnt now.

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              And they’re easier to set up securely than either renewable or the nuclear plants they’ll likely later become.

              Yes, it’d be great if they weren’t sanctioned every other week and threatened with war and could dedicate all of their resources to leap frogging dirty tech… But that’s not the world we live in, the world we live in has people that are rising in quality of life and expecting all the benefits. And they simply have more people than the US and Europe combined while only having the GDP of just the US.

              It’s not ideal, they’ve admitted as such, but it’s a necessary step that all western nations took even when better options were on the table, it’s unfair to criticize China when they’re also producing more green energy than the rest of the world.

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                You keep just ignoring my point that “later” is irrelevant.

                But good for them for admitting they’re helping to destroy our environment so that the current generation has a better quality of life. That’s very helpful.

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                  It is more than literally every other country is doing, is my retort to that point. That and unlike western governments, they actually accomplish their goals.

                  Everyone could be doing more, China is doing the most. If the US especially didn’t spend the last century and a half ignoring climate change while most of the world was still pre industrial agricultural societies, we wouldn’t be in this mess.