President instructs US government to remove ‘radical gender ideology guidance’ and review diversity programs
I agree with Trump on this. To me there are two genders and always have been. Being trans is normal but there are still just two genders, and people can identify with one of them.
As someone who is non binary fuck you.
Intersex people exist. Sex is not just genitals. Sex is not just reproductive organs. Sex is not just chromosomes. Sex is complicated and messy. Sex is not binary in any way that it can be defined. (Trump’s executive order denies all of this, intentionally.)
Sex is not synonymous with gender in today’s language.
Gender is a social construct. Gender is how we see ourselves and what we show to the world. Gender is also complicated and messy and not binary.
But really, his intent with this executive order is to erase legal recognition of trans people. Many trans people will no longer be able to have their proper sex on their passports and other legal documentation. This opens the doors to massive discrimination – and violence – against trans people in all aspects of society.
Trans people will be left without proper identification, without equal access to employment or housing, further reduction in freedom of movement between the states, and further reduction in freedom to travel abroad without being outed. Trans people will face increased discrimination, harassment, and violence.
This is the intention of today’s EO.
I implore you to rethink your position on this subject.
I believe that for trans people, it’s complicated with both the definition of sex and gender. But I don’t think it’s complicated for other people.
I think it’s very bad to ask young children at the age of four what gender they want to be. All of this is creating so much insecurity and confusion it’s not even funny anymore. I believe you when you say both gender and sex are really complicated, but I think that is not the case for non-trans people. It’s nothing we think about even.
To me, it seems like everyone now is really confused and scared and don’t know what gender is, or what sex is. I have lots of colleagues who are afraid to even talk about gender, because they don’t want to be insensitive. And absolutely no joking about it. People are afraid.
I don’t think that’s how it should be in a society. I have nothing against trans but I really don’t like this enormous fear, or the fact that children are forced to think about gender and sex when they should be children and just enjoy life.
Why are ordinary people afraid now to speak their minds about this? You can look at the downvotes these posts are getting to understand why. I tried understanding the other side of this, but I just get hate from the trans people every time.
I think you were downvoted for saying you agree with Trump.
While I disagree with your statement about children being asked to question thier gender (i think kids should – and will – just be who they are and how they feel, and parents of a potentially trans kid have a tough job learning how to properly support that) I’m really glad that your mind isn’t closed on this subject and that you are open to new information and points of view.
I’m usually happy to talk to anyone about sex and gender when they ask in good faith. The trouble with being online is that it is often difficult to discern when someone is debating or questioning in good faith, or trying to be mean. Trans people are constantly being attacked online for simply existing, so it’s understandable when they are upset when you say that you support laws that violate their human rights.
As a non trans person, I also have struggled with understanding how it all works. It’s hard to understand and sometimes fully empathize when you have no idea what the feelings and thought process even are for someone that’s trans. I’ve since had lots of conversations and done a lot of learning to better understand it even if I can’t personally relate.
There’s more to sex and gender than genitals and being trans or not trans, and whether we think about it or not, I believe that we’re all affected by it. I’m a straight man, yet I still struggle with it not because of my gender identity, but because of the cultural gender norms surrounding what being a “man” is. I don’t fit nicely into those norms, and I don’t really want to. People get criticized as being more of man or woman or less of a man or woman for lots of reasons because of these norms. I’m not saying you do, but it happens way too often.
Now add someone that beyond not feeling like they fit into these gender norms, they also feel they don’t fit into the gender they feel they’ve been assigned. It’s a lot to take in and the answers are tough for someone to even dare to accept for fear of the vitriol and hate that can come from family and other people.
You might not think of these things or that they aren’t complicated, but you shouldn’t assume that others don’t either. And children aren’t being asked what gender they want to be like it’s a profession or something. It takes a lot to get anything going: conversations with parents, doctor’s visits, and they can only get certain treatments depending on their age.
As for the hate people get for talking about these things, I get where you’re coming from. But I think many people are talking about these issues and joining the conversation when they have little knowledge about everything that goes on, and instead of listening and educating themselves, they come in with preconceived believes about their personal understanding even though it doesn’t relate. These are complicated issues.
Im also not a typical man personality… I tend to be more in touch with my emotions than most guys it seems. But that’s fine, I easily manage to find my tribe of friends.
I think it’s very confusing for kids to be asked what gender they are. We simplify a lot or other things for kids so they don’t have to deal with complicated emotional issues at that age. But gender and sex, that they are supposed to think about? I don’t think it’s good, at all.
Why do you think people are asking these kids complicated questions about gender and sex? Who’s asking? Teachers aren’t asking. Their friends aren’t asking. Maybe a very slim minority of parents?
And at the secondary level, the most they’re gonna get asked is “what pronouns do you prefer?” and that just lets teachers respect kids choices.
Where are kids getting complicated questions about what gender they are? When is it ever more complicated than “are you a girl or a boy?”
Edit: I should clarify and say some kids use they/them and may identify as non binary, but, like, they just tell folks and go from there. It’s not complicated.
What you’re saying is that–FOR YOU–sex and gender is easy. You do not speak for all cisgender people, buddy. Some cisgender people ALSO struggle with their identity, and thus teaching children at a young age about gender identity and sex to allow them the freedom to explore their identities is helpful.
Your argument boils down to: People are too afraid and confused too talk about sex and gender… which is why we should stop talking about sex and gender.
No I don’t think it’s helpful, and I think it could be harmful actually. Like I said in my post, a lot of people feel it’s difficult to talk about it without being attacked by trans people. So they are scared and stay silent.
Can you tell me how it is harmful to tell a child that being a girl or boy is more about whether you feel like you are a girl or boy than how you look?
Can you tell me how it is harmful to tell a child that some people have two moms or two dads?
Can you tell me how it is harmful to tell children not to make judgments about a person based on how they physically look, even if that judgment is something small like what gender they are?
This is what gender identity and sexual orientation lessons look like for young children, and I am really confused as to how these lessons are harnful to the youth.
The most I’m probably willing to agree with is that it is a spectrum with two ends, but people may identify somewhere along that spectrum, in the middle, at multiple parts of the spectrum, all of the spectrum, or even none at all.
