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  • LocoOhNo
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    10 months ago

    Looks like 248 years is the cutoff for a democratic United States. We’ll soon see if the Christians can contain their collective erection for destroying societies for 2 years so we can at least say 250.

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      10 months ago

      I’m all for democracy in the US, but the electoral college was put in specifically to avoid being a democracy. Also representative democracy is just a fancy word for oligarchy. Plus legislation hasn’t represented public opinion since the at least the 80s, based on research from Princeton.

      So we’ve never been designed as democracy, they are checks against democracy, and we’re not functionally democratic.

      What christians and fascists are destroying at the moment is the rule of law.

      • ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        10 months ago

        but the electoral college was put in specifically to avoid being a democracy.

        This interpretation ignores well know historical events. The electoral college was created as part of a series of compromises. It was not created to prevent democracy. The flaws in our democracy are being exploited to achieve minority rule. However, they are flaws that can be fixed, not the defining qualities of our democracy.

        https://www.history.com/news/electoral-college-founding-fathers-constitutional-convention

        Also representative democracy is just a fancy word for oligarchy.

        This is factually incorrect. Even a causal review of definitions of the word representative democracy demonstrate this has no basis in reality.

        https://www.britannica.com/topic/representative-democracy

        representative democracy, political system in which citizens of a country or other political entity vote for representatives to handle legislation and otherwise rule that entity on their behalf.

        Plus legislation hasn’t represented public opinion since the at least the 80s, based on research from Princeton.

        The constitution has been in effect since 1789. Recent neoliberalism aside, we have always been a democracy. We are in danger of becoming a christofascist dictatorship, in no small part because of neoliberalism, if we do not vote in record numbers in the 2024 election.

        What christians and fascists are destroying at the moment is the rule of law.

        The Republican party is destroying is our democracy. It’s why they focus so heavily on subverting our elections and reducing voter turn out. They will happily see that laws are enforced once they are in power. It’s “rules for thee not for me”.

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      10 months ago

      It’s actually an extremely long run for a persistent Constitution. So yes, I would bet against it

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      10 months ago

      The US has barely ever been a democracy. Women didnt get the right to vote until 1920 and Black people were barely allowed to vote until the 1960s. The US has been an apartheid state and then a plutocracy

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        10 months ago

        I don’t disagree with you, but I think my point still stands; every time the Christians make a power grab, shit hits the fan.

        There’s a reason the puritans got kicked out of Europe.

        They didn’t come here to escape “religious persecution,” they came here to continue persecuting people who weren’t their religion. Look what they’ve done to every group that isn’t them, just from a historical perspective.

        Is that what we’re gonna sit here and watch happen yet again?