Do you have proof they didn’t?

Or do you just like innocently simping for Chinese e-commerce mega corporations?

Such a brave white knight.

Lmao, OP you might want to get your taste buds checked, or spend more time paying attention to what you’re experiencing.

Yes taste is subjective, and the placebo effect is real, that doesn’t meant that it’s completely subjective or that there isn’t broad overlapping of bell curves.

Some flavours genuinely have more complexity than others, and there’s more for your brain to appreciate and process. It’s why children love pure sugar candy and adults generally don’t. Our brains have grown bored by just a simple flavour, kids haven’t.

They’ve been explicitly accused of doing so and it would make sense given that they don’t have access to the same level of compute as Anthropic or OpenAI, being subject to the chip embargo and all.

I think you’re mistaken in thinking that “connection” in general is inherently neutral, and that the way that social media is implemented and must exist to survive is neutral.

They’re honestly not that rickety. If you’re getting your news from social media (including Lemmy) you may want to actually try them rather than just take the random incidents where things go wrong as broadly representative.

Basically, it’s really really expensive (from a compute standpoint, and more compute = money and energy) to train a decent LLM just using books and conversations etc. Anthropic, OpenAI, etc spend a truly insane amount of money doing this is in data centers.

Running an LLM like that is also extremely expensive from a compute standpoint, and right now the true frontier models can basically only be run in datacenters.

However, once you have a really good LLM, you can use it to train another LLM. Because it’s basically already refined all its original training data (and is capable of further refining it’d output on the fly), training a new LLM from it is vastly easier and cheaper.

Additionally, you can use a much smaller and more efficient model, so it can run on less powerful hardware.

So all local LLMs that are any good that exist right now, were trained using the outputs of existing super expensive frontier models. They could not exist without the frontier models to train them. This is also how OpenAI and Anthropic create their cheaper models. Mythos/Fable is anthropics current frontier model and they distill it into (use it to train) their cheaper models like Sonnet and Opus.

Can you name how many data centers have actually built out excess capacity before they started operating?

Most of the ones I’ve heard have simply claimed that they might eventually, which is a corporate way of saying we’ll walk that back once we think no one is paying attention.

use much less fossil fuel in producing these LLMs than their Western counterparts

Utterly false, given that all the decent Chinese models (especially Qwen) are distilled from Western frontier models.

They literally could not exist without the enormously carbon emissive western models existing first to train them.

What’s not ethical is a copyright system thag enforces artificial scarcity where there is no need for it.

Piracy is not stealing, and is not inherently unethical.

And somehow magically all corporate product names land the one you want

No, it’s not magic, it’s called marketing, market research, and psychology. There are literally billions of dollars that go into advertising, do you think they just magically come up with names?

all fediverse or FOSS inventions land the one you don’t

Literally never once claimed that. Mastodon is a little long but at least it’s satisfying and conjures up images of a big fuzzy creature instead of a rodent.

I agree, Reddit’s name isn’t why people use it, but critically it doesn’t hold people back from using it.

Reddit is a satisfying enough word, doesn’t disparage it’s users or sound like a childish joke, and doesn’t conjure images of rats or rodents.

I don’t love it but it is a much better name than Lemmy.

No, you’re confusing partially subjective with completely subjective and the two are vastly different.

Just gonna throw this out there: Lemmy is a bad and dumb name.

1. It’s a joke about users being lemmings
   • this subtly denegrates the user on every usage
   • this implies the app/product itself isn’t that serious and sounds kinda childish
2. It’s not a satisfying word from a pronunciation standpoint. How many other company or product names can you think of that end with that ee sound? Reddit, Twitter, Threads, they all end with these conclusive consonant sounds. Lemmy sounds like it’s trailing off while whining.
3. At best it conjures up images of rat like rodents.

Why is the image for an article about oil pipelines, an image of a woman’s face?

That’s probably a hint as to whether this is journalism or click bait.

That would not fly in Canadian courts, I honestly doubt it would in American one either.

That’s a little tiny Kirby in a captain falcon outfit that squeezes out of the rumble pack slot when you’re not looking, just to fuck up your shit.

This is a legitimate way to analyze things, and you’re effectively analyzing the relative entropy of outcomes.

This is why for instance, strings will naturally tangle when exposed to random movement. There is a only a single configuration that is untangled and infinite tangled configurations, so given enough random energy will always tend towards a tangled outcome.

Yeah I don’t get why people are acting like this is a anything when Albertans elected one to run their whole province.

Well, my tag on you is “Epic apologist.” That’s something I consider a negative. I can see how you would object to that and don’t mean to represent your opinion as invalid, just differing from mine.

Lmfao, ok bud. You can’t see how that’s toxic?

You’ve literally proven in this very conversation how that is toxic. You just used your previous arbitrary labels of epic apologist to dismiss what I had to say without considering it.

It is intellectually lazy, and overconfident.

I’m wiser now than I was 5 years ago, why would I trust a label that my self from 5 years ago slapped on someone? How do I know I wasn’t just in a bad mood when I did that and was mistaken? How do I know that conversation was even completely representative of that person’s views and not just a blip?

You are taking a small snapshot of someone’s views (a single conversation), then boiling that down to a psnarky label that you apply to them forever.

Maybe I should slap a label on you based on your behaviour in this one conversation and dismiss everything you have to say forever because of that, that seem reasonable to you?

The labelling feature existing in the client doesn’t mean you have to use it. It’s a fundamentally toxic form of interaction that people don’t do irl for a reason. People can be in bad moods, people can change, and people can be convinced and have their thoughts and beliefs shift. Slapping a label on them and ignoring what they have to say is intellectual laziness that just creates an even stricter filter bubble around you.