I don’t support the electoral opinions who keep doing the same thing over and over again expecting change.

Like voting third party, or not voting? That has the same result every time, why keep doing it?

Keep casting your votes for pathetic, loser, corporate democrats even though they don’t give a shit about you and even though they keep lying to you again and again.

The most perfect candidate in the world is totally worthless in an election they have no chance of winning, and worse than worthless when supporting them splits the votes which oppose fascism, allowing it to take hold.

Lesser evil with a chance of winning is better than perfect with no chance, every single time.

The longer you treat Democrats as traitorous allies, the longer it’ll take you to understand. They are not allies. I don’t vote for them because I agree with them, I vote for them because the only alternative with any chance of winning is worse.

They are not your friends. They are temporarily useful enemies.

But I would prefer we blame the shitty politicians instead of each other.

And who nominated those shitty politicians in their primaries? We the people. If the politicians don’t represent your demographic, then there are exactly two explanations:

1. Your demographic isn’t showing up to primaries
2. Your demographic is showing up to primaries, but other demographics are more popular.

Voting third party is stupid, not voting is stupid. Voting in primaries is smart, encouraging others to vote in primaries is smart, educating people so that more of the voters in primaries agree with you is smart. Do smart things, not stupid things.

Question: do you live in a red state or a red county or something?

I do. So do many others. Third party might be slightly less stupid in a safe blue state, but it’s mind-bogglingly stupid as a general strategy.

I’ll colloquially use the word “fact” for extremely well supported claims, but in my head the only actual “facts” are mathematical derivations. Evidence supports the veracity of a claim, and a claim with a lot of evidence gets a tentative place in my world model, but any of those claims can be refuted by sufficient counter-evidence

The dipshits that got us here are the Republican party and the Heritage Foundation. Not to mention all the “leftists” who never show up to Democratic primaries but complain endlessly about the candidate, then go on to vote third party or not vote at all. Bad Democratic candidates are a symptom of the dipshits responsible.

You’re the problem. I’m trying to do damage control to limit the scope of the problem. Did you have a proposed alternative vote that would have come closer to working out? Because not voting for one of the two major parties is counterproductive until one of them collapses. I don’t respect the electoral opinions of people who don’t understand elections.

Even if they aren’t there for work they’re there for something, I can’t really think of any times I slept in a hotel room and didn’t have an early morning.

Are you feeling it now?

You’re using a clothesline as a flagpole.

It’s a fairytale fucking town inn’it?

The Kanban spoon.

Frequently, answers are found by reading the entirety of a passage.

Stop treating the DNC as a traitorous ally. They are not an ally. They are a tool used to effect future material conditions.

Well, Biden was better than Trump before him, so that was nice actually. Didn’t quite have enough this time, and now the military is deployed in blue cities. I’d say it could’ve sucked a lot less.

Did you have a proposed alternative vote that would have come closer to working out?

Uh, I don’t share the Democratic party. Sure, I vote any time I can to direct them to suck a bit less, but it’s not because I think they represent me. The treaty is that whoever votes in their primaries decides who their candidate is. If you’re not voting in their primaries, you have no control.

If the majority of the people really wanted a progressive candidate, they could get one by showing up in force to the primaries. Primary voting participation is like 15%, it would be easy to sweep that if people actually showed up. Get every leftist to show up to the primaries. If they still lose, that’s just democracy.

Stop treating the DNC as a traitorous ally. They are not an ally. They are a tool used to effect future material conditions. The tent represents a collection of demographics with a common enemy that they pool their votes to defeat. Leaving the tent only makes that enemy harder to defeat.

Agreed, that doesn’t generalize nationwide though

And would you say that situation has gotten better, or worse under the new administration?

Blasted is nothing, wake me up when they get slammed.

Probably broke the ð key.

What “social contract”? I don’t vote to punish or reward politicians, I vote whichever way is going to make life for me and other Americans suck less. Both popular options suck, but one sucks way more. No third party stands a chance until one of the main parties fractures, or we get RCV. My money’s on a Republican fracture personally, and the sooner they start losing the sooner that’ll happen.

Blue No Matter Who is just shorthand for those facts. Once the alternative isn’t worse, it can be discarded as a strategy. It is a strategy, not a “social contract”.

It’s a historically observed effect, correlated to actual military action. Could you provide a couple of those other likely explanations?

Huh, TIL. I worked at an orange grove in the subtropics, and knew about the cold snap for other aspects of citrus, I never knew about the peel.

Oranges are green until they are ripe. What tropical place did you see a ripe green orange?