That’s good news (hopefully). Thanks!

Will keep an eye out, but community is remaining locked until the clarifications are published and deemed acceptable.

I explained that in another comment: https://lemmy.world/comment/14408131

My stance has always been keep the server/instance rules generic / non-micromanaging and let the communities do what they do (so long as they’re in compliance with the generic server rules). That’s pretty much been LW’s stance until yesterday.

Re: fiefdoms

Many times I’ve seen new communities spring up as alternatives and people slowly (sometimes rapidly) moved over organically. That’s one of the big benefits to the Fediverse. My experience has been that, letting the Fediverse do what it does, the problems will generally sort themselves out as bad mods/instances are identified and avoided with alternatives springing up to fill the gap.

I’m with you in spirit, but I can’t and won’t endorse that kind of behavior (not even saying that to cover my ass; I’m truly against it).

However, should that occur organically (and it will), feel free to shine a “I told you so” spotlight onto it.

As I understand it, yes, that is the intent of the policy. However, as-written and presumably as it is to be enforced for all mods LW-wide, it has wide-reaching implications with worse side-effects.

Basically, the proper tool is a scalpel and they brought out a machete.

I never said I was against the goal they were trying to achieve, just the means by which they’re using to achieve it.

I’m mostly with you, though with a much more strict stance against allowing misinformation/conspiracy/etc. On that:

The beauty of the fediverse is that I also have no problems with someone setting up a competing community that takes a much less tolerant perspective and has a rule that participation is conditional on agreement to certain perspectives.

That’s what this new moderation policy abolishes: That competing community is now apparently required to platform misinformation, propaganda, et al while also being more or less required to spend time refuting every claim lest it stand unchallenged. As I said in the announcement post, it’s holding the doors open and saying “no, after you” to gish-galloping the mods and platforming every crackpot conspiracy, propaganda, “civil” hate speech, etc so long as they’re civil and not spamming it.

Yeah, the Fediverse allows for “just moving to another instance” but for the largest Lemmy instance to force a “both sides” stance on its entirety is a slap in the face.

Vote manipulation is common in Lemmy. While the actor described in that post has changed tactics (and that post barely scratched the surface), they certainly did not stop. All they need to do is boost the misinformation and downvote the rebuttals when previously, the misinformation would just be correctly modded.

Yep, sure do! But only on my own instance in accordance with our polices; communities I moderate elsewhere are modded according to those instances’ rules and TOS.

If someone does nothing but give out downvotes (the upvotes-given to downvotes-given ratio threshold for the automated ban is quite generous), then they’re contributing nothing but negativity and shitting on things for everyone else. If everything here displeases them so much, they can and should go somewhere else.

I stand by (and have reviewed) every automated “Mass downvoting” ban my automod has issued.

It definitely does not seem like a well thought out solution for sure.

It’s an option, sure. But (at this point anyway) it’s more about making a statement and trying to bring visibility to the horrible side effects of this new policy.

I’m not trying to burn bridges, lol, merely shine a light and hope the LW Team sees it.

That’s basically the long-form of how I feel about it. Honestly, I was having a hard time staying composed while I responded to the announcement thread; I was livid and absolutely shaking.

A sad two sentence story…of my life lol

Oh, yay. The vote is heavily toward making the “no US politics” rule permanent. As an American, I am happy to see that. I’m so sick of [our] politics everywhere, so I can’t imagine the rest of the world being any less sick of it.

I’d be willing to moderate it from my Lemmy World account (this one), but I do not want to be “top mod”. Mostly I’m willing to help keep trolls and rif-raff at bay and enforce the rules. Rules look okay to me, but I guess they can be fine-tuned as the need arises?

If you’re browsing “Subscribed” sure. But don’t browse “all” just to shit on things you have no interest in. Block the community and move on 🤷‍♂️

Thanks for the additional info. I’m gonna set up test cases in the UI I work with and try to confirm (and handle it better if need be). A UI bug was my assumption as well.

Thanks. I’ll add that to my test cases for the UI I work with. I don’t think I’ve ever tried to block a community the test user was banned from, so I’m curious if it’s an API restriction or the way the UI handles it. Will prob also submit a bug once I figure out which.

Edit: That looks like the community options that have the “block community” button are all hidden when you’re banned rather than the “block” functionality being restricted. I’m almost positive now that it’s just a UI bug. Will still add it to my test cases, though.

Yep. Banning users who aren’t subscribed to a community and are just downvoting everything that comes up is pretty common and understandable.

The typical modlog entry I see for that is “block the community or curate your feed”, and I think that’s pretty justified. It’s like intentionally showing up somewhere you don’t want to be just to “booooo” everything there. Being asked to leave and not demoralize the people just trying to exist in their own space is perfectly fine, IMO.

Also, what’s up with not being able to block a community you’re banned from?

Wait, really? I’m gonna have to check on that. Curious if that’s an API limitation or a frontend bug. What frontend did you use? Lemmy-UI?

Your last submission was a little lot too “Thanos was right, and we should do that” but without a fictional framing device. If you can re-work it to be a little lot less dehumanizing to 50% of the world’s population, please feel free to resubmit.

But I will say that those people you’re calling parasites would probably be more “useful” to society if society wasn’t largely an orphan crushing machine and they had a chance to utilize their potential.

Again, if you can rework it so it’s not “Thanos was right”, feel free to resubmit. This post, however, is not an unpopular opinion and I’m going to have to remove it.