IT workers aren’t “Tech Bros”. Real Tech Bros are usually people with zero knowledge trying to profit from IT workers. They use them to build their scams.
Just to add to your point, statistically tech workers are disproportionately democrat voters. I’m not sure about higher ups, but it would surprise me if they were disproportionately pro-trump
Not on H1B they not.
(as they can’t even vote)
I wouldn’t be surprised if they flipped when the money started rolling in. My guess is:
Democrat -> “Independent” Libertarian voting Republican -> “Fiscally conservative” Republican
There is already a strong “I did this on my own” and “i make enough money to not need a union” sentiment in IT as an industry. Plenty of people that are “experts in one thing, so I must be an expert in everything.” It is a field that favors autodidacts, so these myths self reinforce very easily.
The majority are left leaning, but it’s not an overwhelming majority. Maybe 60/40. This policy will fuck conservative IT people, for sure.
I am a staff engineer (contractor), most of us are not adverse to unionization. But we need a massive labor movement to cling onto it seems. The spark doesn’t appear like it will happen within us, gotta be external by my view of it. The engineer today is just not often politically aware or active because of the stress of the workplace environment
a field that favors autodidacts
I feel personally attacked.
IT is just DIY with fewer letters. Even the “clouds” just add their own layers for you to deal with.
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Is this helping you lead a meaningful life?
Wow reading through your comments is a wild ride 😆
Though you’re gonna have to make it a little less obvious if you want people to keep buying your facade. Have a good new year friend, cheers!
Awww, he got banned and everything removed. I missed out on the wild ride.
Okay boomer
yes i agree that the problem with people believing anything they see is that they might not have proper guidance. it’s okay to believe everything you see, so long as you only see the right things. this is why it’s okay to believe anything you hear from donald trump, but not okay to believe anything you see on the internet.
“Tech slaves apply here”
H1-B visa holders are essentially indentured servants. If they lose their job, they get deported and then it’s back to living 12 to a room in Bangalore.
I’m honestly surprised that Elon isn’t just pushing that angle as a positive.
Not just H1-B, nearly all issued work visas are like that.
For real, he could live cam their miserable existence and say, “See how these minorities suffer for American profits!”
Then the fireworks go off and an eagle screams. The audience cheers!
Tying a visa to an employer is not indentured servitude.
You call it whatever you want to call it. “You work at this specific company or we kick you out of the country” is as exploitive and ultra-capitalistic as you can get.
It can be, but isn’t a guarantee. All countries do this to an extent, some do it better than others. You calling it the wrong thing trying to drive a point home with hyperbole isn’t helpful to anyone.
“All countries” do not have the U.S. H1-B visa program, which is what we are discussing.
All countries have some sort of work for visa program, which by itself is not indentured servitude. And given there are non ultra-capitalistic countries that also have it, the practice is also not “as far as one can get”.
Hell, to group the US 's visa program in with the ones that literally end with slavery (and are actually like what you described) is just poor form.
Again, we are specifically talking about one country’s visa program and you are downplaying the draconian nature of it with a lot of dodging and whataboutism.
I’m not doing either of those things. You made a claim by misunderstanding terms for hyperbole. I said that your claim isn’t true. You backed up your claim with more hyperbole. I rebutted that with how it’s standard practice globally and even in within a larger scope is a more reasonable standard.
QED, the US visa program is not indentured servitude, by colloquial or exact definitions, and not ultra-capitalistic by any stretch. These are not whataboutism or dodging. They directly address your statements.
In reality we have examples of abuse in the US. When Twitter did all of that strange s*** when Musk took over, it was widely reported that foreign hires couldn’t quit because they didn’t have other jobs lined up. That’s one example but we can find countless other examples of similar situations. So the reality is that the program is abusive in the US. And in I think all other countries that have similar programs, because of course it is. It’s very difficult to find a new job in 2 months, and there’s no guarantee that the new job would be better than the old job, which means your bosses have the ability to f*** with you, and they know it, and you know it, and many of them have and will.
What could be done instead is to change the program. Even if you require people to come over with a sponsored application, don’t make them find a new job within 2 months. Simply allow them to reside in the country until the visa expires, regardless of employment status. Or, to make it even better, issue the visa based on qualifications and don’t even require a sponsor in order to get a visa. In the latter case, all of the visa holders would no longer be getting s*** pay. They would be on the same pay scale as American citizen employees. Or give them citizenship after two years. It’s laughably easy to brainstorm fixes to the broken system, but you won’t even recognize that the system is broken.
Dude, I just said it’s not indentured servitude.
I never said the system wasn’t broken, in fact I’m on one of those horrible visas now.
I work with h1b my entire life in tech. I dropped out of university at age 20 and I’m 31 now. I am a staff engineer.
There are small places that utilize the program correctly. One amazing friend I have is a man named Ravi. Beautiful human being and he lives in Texas now with a beautiful boy.
I now contract with a major corporation now who dropped an H1B woman named Chaitanya who loved her daughter with a 2 day notice. She has to since scrambled to find a new job or risk deportation. Not indentured servitude, though.
No, but it does allow abuse. I’ve worked at places where the h1-b wages were lower than market rate cause they can’t really leave (they can, but finding another sponsor isn’t easy or without risks).
Well yeah, that comes with any sort of immigration setup.
As someone who has worked outside of the US on an “immigrant visa”, I was paid normal wages and treated like a normal employee. I also could quit and look for any job I wanted. I don’t know anything about H1B, but substandard treatment definitely shouldn’t be expected just because you’re an immigrant.
Because you are coming from a place that has a generly higher standard of living. If you get deported, you’re coming back to the US. There isn’t NEARLY as much risk.
What you’re saying is possibly true in theory, but in fact all we have to do is look around everywhere in the world that has this type of visa to find abuses. The abuses are guaranteed, and the rate of abuse varies based on how active the government is at punishing bad employers.
I wonder when the magards will realize they’ve been played for the fools they are. It would be funny - and a little bit reassuring - if they massively turned against their racehorse before Jan 20…
The fact that the pendulum could swing so far so fast is an indication of how fucking long and exhausting the next 4 years will be. I’m too old for this shit.
Actually it’s an indication of how desperate Americans are, or how stupid they are. Because nobody with good prospects in life and a working brain votes for Trump.
Probably a combination of both…
It’s an indication of both stupidity and also desperation. Remember, this isn’t happening just in the US, either. It’s occurring worldwide, unfortunately.
Don’t forget the latter causes the former. Literally: https://www.princeton.edu/news/2013/08/29/poor-concentration-poverty-reduces-brainpower-needed-navigating-other-areas-life
I had experience where I nearly fell for a common scam when I was in a desperate situation. At the time, I had no knowledge of that particular scam and was too rushed to find a solution to think critically. Luckily I was too dumb to even be properly scammed before someone who knew was able to stop me, but still.
I can believe the same happened on a mass scale. Desperate people being fed lies on an easy answer echoing each other, not realizing they’re being scammed.
If I may ask, what was the scam?
Fake housing listing. Said the key would be mailed because they weren’t in the area at the time, and wanted payment via some sort of money order or special check type or something (I forget exact details).
I needed to find a place quickly, with no idea how to do so or what I was doing, that would accept two people and multiple cats, on only my income (not a lot).
I got the wrong kind of payment, was able to get money back from that, and when I went to get the “right” kind of payment the cashier let me know it was a common scam.
The post-mortem is still being done but there are real issues that voters had that are important that the DNC address.
The numbers seem to indicate voters simply did not turn out, not that voters changed their vote to Trump.
They are also to blame, yes, but the real issue is that the DNC fails to learn the right lesson from election losses. And this one was a doozy. We’ll be lucky if we get another election.
If we do, I can guarantee you we’ll have another right of center candidate that smiles and nods at workers rights while getting absolutely smashed by corporate interests.
And we’ll be here again, begging people to vote for the better of two candidates because this election is more important than the last. All the while Republicans continue to shit out turd candidates.
It’s worth remembering that Trump’s popularity with voters allowed him to drag the Trump-hating establishment Republican party kicking and screaming into his orbit, and to eventually bend it to his will. It is possible for the same thing to happen with the Democrats, but no similarly compelling candidate has emerged. It’d have to be someone the rank and file voters can unify behind, in a way that can’t be ignored by the donor class that runs the party.
…if they massively turned against their racehorse before Jan 20…
that will never happen. literally the only way for these walking tumors to stop is for them to die. that’s why they call them diehards.
our only hope is bird-flu wipes them entirely out when the orange lump claims the cure is injecting drain-o in their rectums.
I shouldn’t be a hole in the concrete hacked away with a pickaxe … it’s a neatly installed steel door with electronic access
And they put an explosive collar on you when you go through with your H1-B visa.
In reality, trump can’t do 13 different things associated with this image.
MAGA crowd are mostly below H1B standards.
Trumpty Dumpty.
This cartoon is incomplete. There should be an indication that Elon FIRED the qualified Americans first. The GOP is such a joke. Every dumbass who voted for Trump deserves to lose their job and get replaced by cheap, foreign labor.
Nah Trump is down there with a second hole saying “gardeners and maids apply here”, while the wall is “guarded” by a redneck with a MAGA hat.
the other side is that H1-B visa holders are more vulnerable to the whims of bosses. they will come here and be treated worse because of the threat of losing their work visa and being sent home unless they find another business owner willing to sponsor the legal responsibilities of dealing with H1-B visas.
If it wasn’t likely to bite me so hard in the ass (middle-aged, senior high paid US tech worker), I would be loving the schadenfreude. Instead, some days I can feel the target forming on my back.
I decided to career change and get a bachelor’s in CS in my mid thirties… finishing in may. Unsure if I’ll even get the privelege of a target
Paid less, can’t shop around for jobs as easily, they love immigrants when they take good paying jobs and turn them into poor paying jobs. Trump wants immigrants. He wants immigrants to take your good paying jobs. He wants you to do the crappy poor person jobs. This is not rocket surgery.
The only thing that still makes sense is to find entertainment in dismantling federal institutions by electing the most dumb outrageous corrupt criminal available. Religion and racism are also a part of the picture but most people don’t take that so seriously.
