What primaries?
I say this as a woman who is pretty bummed to say this.
I don’t think women candidates can win over enough men to get votes on a national level. Radicalized men aren’t ever going to empathize with women and sure as hell aren’t going to vote for one anytime soon.
Obviously there is a lot more than that, but it’s a big part of it.
Radicals by definition aren’t the majority.
I still think it was policy and not gender :/
But I understand that the evidence isn’t exactly clear on this.
It would be foolish to say that gender wasn’t a factor, but I don’t think it was the deciding factor.
Americans choosing Trump twice instead of a moderate woman candidate is all the proof I need that the country won’t have a woman become president in my lifetime.
That highly organized distraction in gaza really worked
do you risk nominating candidates who then can’t appeal
Here’s a wild idea. Let the voters nominate their own candidates in a primary without tons of interference from the DNC and super delegates. Or you know, just allow a primary at all.
Harris is more progressive than every single person who voted for Jill Stein. It’s an incredibly low bar.
MOVE LEFT DAMMIT
Capitalism will continue shifting right until there is only fascism.
The beatings will continue until morale improves
Our voters constantly and consistently reject candidates and policies that only benefit billionaires and their stooges, what could that ever mean to the electability of our candidate who fawns over Reagan staffers?
In a sane world, literally anyone would have beaten trump. A rotten ham sandwich would have won a write in vote over trump.
I do not blame Democrats for running a bad campaign.
I blame the jellyfish stimulus eater organisms that insist they’re the same species as me who were “not impressed” by Harris but were dazzled by the funny orange meme man with the dick sucking dance.
At this point I don’t hate Trump supporters any more. They’re just dogs. I hate the left for allowing us to get to this stage.
I hope the apocalypse is painful for everyone. It would be the first instance of justice our species would experience.
I hate the left for allowing us to get to this stage.
I’m curious what you think the left did.
This attitude is generally insane.
“I don’t hate racists, I hate people who hate genocide so much they can’t stomach voting for it.”
Look, I voted for Harris, but it wasn’t easy. Because that blood is on this administrations hands. The party is moving further and further away from my ideals every election. Because they keep moving right. On immigration, tax breaks, health care, foreign policy. She was courting the fuckin neocons!!!
I understand how frustrating it is, because you’re right—not allowing trump to win is better than allowing him. But it’s not so straightforward when your vote is support for something you can’t stomach. Can you understand how that is difficult for people? I sure can. But I also understand how many people stand to get hurt under an authoritarian regime, so i sacrificed my morals again to do what I can to somewhat stem the bleeding.
But that’s not an easy decision to make. Much harder than, say, blaming the racists for racism, and not the people who are anti-racist.
I have to say that by all means, Harris’ campaign was not a failure by any means. She rocked most of the debates and her speeches were insane. Her only issue was the lack of a proper procedure for being elected at primary candidate, and she focused on ideologies that alienated her from the more centrist and slightly red leaning views.
But despite what has been being spammed in the lemmy communities for months now, her way of being elected was just the old way, that was replaced by the current primaries. I don’t agree that they didn’t hold another primary but, I also can totally see the argument of “We can’t just hold back the election process because someone dropped out”
Harris’ main campaign goals alienated a crucial part of the voters though, which was the side that had given up on Trump but had no valid alternative. I had so many friends that if they gave a reason for voting for trump it was “I don’t really want to, but I have no other choice, and there is no way I can vote for her because of what her standing is with rights are”.
I don’t personally agree with the ideology but, sadly she needed those votes the people who didn’t vote for trump, ended up doing write in instead of voting blue, because coming out super strong with that as the main argument more or less pushed them back into voting Trump.
Blow it up. The DNC is never going to get it, just blow up the party.
I’ll never understand why people think the people running the DNC aren’t total fucking liars that will say anything for money.
Beating trump isn’t hard.
But beating him while grifting a billion dollar campaign funded by the people your voting base hates is very difficult.
Unfortunately when confronted with the choice, the DNC has shown us three elections straight that they’ll always pick money over votes.
So we either need to leave the party or replace leadership.
If we don’t do either 2028 will be exactly the same as the last three elections.
Find your local/state Dems, get involved with them, figure out who the conservatives are and replace them… It’s not hard, like 10 people vote in those elections… They are the ones who elect DNC leadership, take the local and state parties, take the DNC
Lol, you haven’t heard what the “victory fund” really is yet, have you?
The state parties have to toe the line, or they’re abandoned.
Terrible strategy if the plan is getting Dems in office, great move if you’re blocking any real progress in exchange for
bribesdonations.
Beating trump isn’t hard.
He won three out of four primaries, and two out of three general elections. It seems… pretty fucking hard.
Only hard for those as incompetent as the dnc
Well, he won his own party primaries too, and by a landslide. So it’s not just the DNC that can’t beat him. People are still trying to play by the old playbook where things like qualifications, competency, and sanity matter. Trump is out there doing something that absolutely works, telling the people whatever they want to hear, regardless of how stupid, impossible, or untrue it is.
Trump plays dirty. He’s threaten to run as an independent and split the R vote.
Like him or not, one thing is very clear: Trump has basically redefined the political metagame.
So we either need to leave the party or replace leadership.
I think at this point, leaving is the only way forward. The DNC/ the DCCC have shown that even given effectively infinite money, they don’t have the competence to win elections. They are always willing to rat-fuck popular candidates in favor of establishment candidates. There is no fixing this with Citizens United in place.
Find your local/state Dems, get involved with them, figure out who the conservatives are and replace them… It’s not hard, like 10 people vote in those elections… They are the ones who elect DNC leadership, take the local and state parties, take the DNC
Bold to assume we will have another election
Don’t you worry, you’ll have an election. Even the Germans had elections during their darkest times. That doesn’t mean you’ll have a choice though.
I lived thru 9/11 and 2016.
For over 20 years everytime a republican became president I’ve been told we’ll never have another election.
Maybe this time the wolf is real, but it’s a basic part of human psychology that more and more people will stop having a fear response everytime they hear “wolf”.
If we really don’t have an election in 2028, we’ll have a civil war before 2032. Maybe what comes after will be better than what we have now.
It sucks to live in interesting times, but that’s what’s happening.
This is literally the day after the election, don’t fucking tell me it’s too late to plan how to fix shit for 2028
If it were like 2016 I’d be less worried but taking into account what happened with the 2020 election and now facist rhetoric has reached new heights. They want King Trump and I am worried they will get it.
Shit. I was more worried in 2016.
He didn’t leave office peacefully, but he still left.
That’s how human brains work, we avoided the worst case scenario and life moved on. So we run into the same danger, but the response is lowered.
Which is why Dem turnout was so low this time
I’ve been saying this would happen for a long time, lots of people were.
The difference is the people running the DNC are just the people who can raise the most money. And the people with psychology degrees rarely have money as a priority.
We need to start having a party run by sociologists, psychologists, hell even go back to lawyers
The current strategy of 80s go-go Reaganites who only care about money ain’t working.
Why were you more worried in 2016? He literally attempted to stage a coup and it failed. That’s why he left. Did you expect him to start an armed insurrection by himself?
I don’t remember “this may be the last election ever” being a mainstream or credible narrative for any election prior to 2020… you know… The one he tried to make the last election ever.
Your comment is exceptionally naive, and probably the same sentiment that lead to Trumps win. Americans are completely ignorant to the reality of the situation; liberals included.
Maybe this time the wolf is real,
Project 2025 is a thing. They know better this time. We’re probably fucked.
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people have been beating this drum for decades and i, for today only, am wondering if it’s having any impact despite it being completely true and easy to see.
It won’t. If there’s anything I’ve learned, it’s that a large majority of the Democratic Party voter base is just as dumb and addicted to propoganda as the GOP’s. The people who are so happy to call anyone with a genuine critique a Russian shill, who believed that Biden had to lead the ticket “no matter what,” who cheered when Harris went further right to snap up conservative voters; these people also treat politics like a sport and think their side can do no wrong. They feel smug and superior because “they’re not dumb enough to vote for Trump,” as if that makes them immune to propoganda.
My plan is to leave. Maybe other countries have a chance still, but the U.S. does not.
And which other country do you have in mind where the right-wing parties aren’t growing in influence or have already done massive damage (as with Brexit in the UK)?
There are none, as far as I am aware. I’m closest to Canada, and it’s where I plan to flee. I’m pretty certain Justin Trudeau is going to repeat Biden’s blunder beat for beat, except he won’t pull out and will just lose, but I don’t think the fate of Canada hinges on the next election. There is still time to fight back at least. I don’t think there is any time left for the U.S.
Oh wise one, what would you have done different? Explain the ways to me so we can understand.
Why do the republicans love the RNC no matter what and the democrats hate the DNC no matter what?
I don’t love or hate the DNC but I do hate the RNC.
For a long time, they didn’t. The RNC was legendarily attacked by the Tea Party movement, by Trump during the 2016 primaries, and continued to be slated by MAGA up to the point it was wholly taken over by Trump.
because when the Republican Party wasn’t serving the “needs” of it’s racist, xenophobic, misogynistic voter base, it was murdered and skinned by the Tea Party, who has gleefully worn the skin ever since.
Progressives have never done the same for the DNC, they’ve just let it continue being the same old shitty party for two decades. Every time they drift further rightward, people complain, and then forget.
Progressives have never done the same for the DNC, they’ve just let it continue being the same old shitty party for two decades. Every time they drift further rightward, people complain, and then forget.
I disagree on that part. Everyone is just fucking tired trying to save the country from our fellow dummies. We are just trying to survive and have no idea of what to do.
It’s fair to be tired, it’s exhausting having to do the same shit every four years.
but the reason we have to do it every four years is because everyone lets their civic duty end with voting. Whether or not you’re tired doesn’t mean the responsibilities end. Believe me, I know trying to get people to politically organize is an exercise in misery, but the Democratic Party is never going to change. People have to start supporting third parties in their local elections, and start forcing out Democrat politicians who have historically had safe seats.
The one and only good news I can provide is that we have the playbook the Tea Party left. Cannibalizing a party is possible, I watched it happen and have tried to oust my local Dems with independent leftist candidates ever since. Maybe if more people had realized the Dems were going to let them down forever sooner, we could have avoided all of this. Maybe we’ll never have elections again, and it’s all a moot point now anyway. but trying the same shit election after election is just not going to create change.
What would you have these people do differently once they’re in? I’m going to go through the issues and it ain’t “the dems.”
- Russia did an amazing social media job and played the r’s like a fiddle. We probably don’t even know the half of it because of the bubble world they live in.
- The r’s have placed SCOTUS judges that are openly corrupt and actively harmful to our country.
- The r’s have placed judges to fuck with many states with gerrymandering and it worked.
- Half of the voting public of America is sexist and racist.
I’ve seen an active population going after the dems today and it makes me laugh my ass off. It’s pretty good propaganda. The r’s voted for a monster and you’re blaming the people who thought there were enough decent people on that side to keep him away. Nope, we were wrong.
You simply can’t do anything for the Republicans. There is no hope for them. You have to assume that moving forward, at least half of voting Americans will go for a fascist. Ignore them completely. Sure, they clearly have the largest part of the blame, but none of them care and will laugh at you for trying to change their minds. The only option is to aim for independents, undecideds, and uncommitteds. Progressive policies remain overwhelming popular in the United States, you do not need conservatives to help you win elections.
As for what these leftists politicians should do once elected, the answer immediately is to caucus with the Dems and try to work with them on progressive issues like wage stagnation. It will fail, but it will identify which members of the Dems are willing to work with a new movement and which will not. Once a base of candidates is built in Dem strongholds, we can start working to replace the Dems who refuse to work with the new movement, even if they’re in battleground states.
again, I’m not inventing anything here. This is how the Tea Party killed the GOP from inside. There’s nothing stopping us from doing the same, but it takes a lot of participation in local races. The Tea Party started with state governments and House Representatives, and it took them nearly a decade to realize their dreams in the form of Donald Trump. It will likely take time we no longer have, but look at the last three elections and ask yourself this; do we have any other option?
You’re right, I didn’t mean to go after you. I’m just frustrated at how shitty our voting and purposely non-voting country is.
As far as dems go, Biden won with the Harris strategy. That’s what they thought would work against trump. Obviously they were wrong. There’s a bunch of gerrymandering (cheating) going on as well.
Here is the bottom line and what I don’t think people understand though, the people funding these campaigns for higher office don’t want progressives. That’s it, the end. How do you fix that now? People may vote for them if they’re given the opportunity, but they will never get the opportunity. That’s just the reality of it.
And again, that’s the shitty part, it requires a lot of fucking work. I have worked for independent leftist campaigns. It was incredibly long hours for weeks on end. Canvassing is gruelling work, cold calls are fucking miserable. Do you know how much money I typically made? None, not a single dime. The independents don’t have the support of big donors. In fact, I typically end up losing a few thousand dollars if I work for a campaign.
You have to make the reality you want with your own hands. You have to grab your friends and say “Hey, let’s all go to the town hall meeting tonight,” and double the attendance for the night. You have to make a hundred calls a day, getting laughed at all the time, just hoping to get your message out. Hell, depending on where you live and what options you have, you might have to run for office yourself. It’s hard, and it’s shitty and awful, but it’s the only option left when your leaders consistently fail you.
I will say though, it was a clear mistake to call 2020 a win for Biden. 2020 was a loss for Trump. Biden’s approval ratings were ass, he barely beat out Trump, and his approval just dropped further the second he entered office. If the DNC saw that and made the conclusion they could demand progressive votes for nothing a second time, then they’re incompetent.
The “both parties are the same” thing is one of the most successful right-wing talking points ever, just after “conservative parties are more fiscally responsible”.
That’s very true. I would love it to be arguments between progressive and normal democrats vs democrat vs fascist republican, but that’s not the world we live in. I’m angry at the voters, there is no way they didn’t know what they were voting for this time.
I would love to see some new form of having arguments that prevent all that going in circles with the same arguments reappearing again and again. Possibly even one where it matters less if you don’t think of just the correct way of phrasing it in the moment because the arguments can be refined in place and extra info like evidence added later, something like a wiki with a graph of common political arguments.
Somehow I feel the form of our public discourse, both within the various camps and in greater society, is in large part to blame for the state our political systems are in today. Sound-bites, tweets, short videos at best, headlines. Nuance is required for a lot of modern problems and it just isn’t there.
Because one delivers on its promises. They promise hate and divisiveness and deliver in kind. Democrats promise hope when what we need is action.
What action do you think we should do? Real talk. The government has been taken over a long time ago by anti-democracy peeps, how do we get it back?
Maybe it’s the fact that America’s national character is to lust for domination and revenge. Compassion cannot win because America despises it.
