• 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 ℹ️@yiffit.net
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    Calls Vader’s religion bullshit

    Gets telepathically choked out

    Vader: “Oh I guess it doesn’t hurt since it’s all bullshit, huh? I find your lack of faith disturbing. Especially since you’ve seen me do this shit, like, a million times before.”

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      The Jedi by that point were as accessible as the heads of the Catholic Church. To most poor people throughout the galaxy, the Jedi didn’t give a shit about you or your suffering, notice how they didn’t do shit about slavery in the galaxy? To most people the Jedi were nothing but self righteous religious do nothings that live in a big palace

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      “Tons”

      The galactic empire (and the republic before it) spanned billions of inhabited star systems. If each world was billions or trillions of inhabitants that means the galactic population is 1018 or more people. There were only ~10,000 Jedi at their peak. The chances of any galactic citizen seeing a Jedi, unless they lived on Coruscant near the temple, are vanishingly small. They were mythical beings to almost everyone.

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              That’s what the scene implies. The whole scene makes no sense after the backstory that the prequels added.

              The idea of the scene is that we, the viewer, have no idea what the force is yet. Just like character who learns the hard way. Because this is the first Star Wars movie and they haven’t even started calling it Episode 4 yet.

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        If you want to play that way, technically using a 2000lb ton, you’d only need 20-30 Jedi for there to be “Tons”

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        I’m going off what was in the movies and other than Coruscant there’s nothing to suggest there’s that many individuals. There are a lot of representatives in the senate but that doesn’t say much about how populated the planets are.

        And, the Jedi had an actual HQ on the home planet of the republic, didn’t they?

        EDIT: And as another counter-example, there’s not that many Secret Service agents but most people in Earth probably know they exist.

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        I am not familiar with star wars canon lore, but I am very familiar with astronomical data and I have a well-enough grasp of logistics. So I strongly doubt that any civilization would be able to administrate more than a few tens of thousands of star systems, no matter how efficient they are.

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          The Senate chamber only holds like 2000 senators. So probably that many planets.

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        billions of inhabited star systems.

        Suddenly that massive Galactic Senate Chamber seems cartoonishly tiny. Was the galactic Republic just a dictatorial empire to the high hundreds of millions of worlds/systems that didn’t have a senate pod from which to be heard/represented?

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          I wonder if you could improve that system by creating localised star sector governments, and divesting the currently centralized power to them?

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          Is it really so hard to believe a guy never met someone who only existed in tiny fractions of the galaxy 20 years before. I think its clearly a joke about people who are skeptical of religion (me).

          It’s like asking storm troopers in the clone wars why would they shoot at a Jedi. They are people… Not droids. They made the logical leap a long time ago that the force is a fantasy and is to unlikely to exist, and by the time few of them saw it in real life… They couldn’t take back the first shot and were like… Fuck.

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            I think it’s hard to believe the fact that magic is a real thing wouldn’t get around in a common galactic civilization.

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          George was good at story, not so good at worldbuilding, and he was only kind of good at stories by following the hero of a thousand faces archetype

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    When I saw this scene as a kid, I thought Motti coughed up the yellow button on the console. I didn’t know what it was at the time and thought Vader somehow put some yellow choking pill inside him. It was very disturbing to me. This was before I knew what a Force choke was.

    yellow button

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      I used to think roughly the same thing. I thought that Vader choking him caused him to puke up an egg.

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        I thought the same! We had to use our imagination watching these movies on VHS on a 14" CRT TV from eight feet away.

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    Meanwhile, in real life, we don’t have space wizards who can perform magic, yet we have generals who live in fear of magical leaders of make believe religions.

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    “Bruh, we’re trying to get this project done on time and under budget, talking about space magic isn’t going to-”

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    And he (Admiral Motti) got the first name of Conan by George Lucas while on the Conan O’Brien show!