this does not sound good
It’s like an extra 4% buildup, doesn’t sound extreme.
The US already has 80k troops there, 3k more isn’t some kind of escalation.
Why is it being done?
This is how things start. Just like with weapons assistance, first it’s a little then it’s billions on the regular. This is an increase to an already way oversized presence of a foreign continents military in a delicate situation.
It’s not a delicate situation for Ukrainians, they’re defending their freedom. Accusing the US of escalation here when Russia violently invaded it’s peaceful neighbor?
You are either a bot, paid troll, or massive idiot.
I mean the first issue here is that you think the US government actually gives a shit about humanitarian things; they’re doing this because it’ll be beneficial to them, not out of the goodness of their heart
you really need to understand that you can’t take the US at its word when it says it’s sending soldiers to another country for moral reasons
No country on the planet is any different. Just so happens the us is aligned with the global west in deciding to support Ukraine. That’s just how it is.
At the same time NATO is consolidating membership, again, for geopolitical gain, not charity.
Welcome to reality. Declaring the US a sane geopolitical operator is not the hot take you think it is.
you might be surprised by how many people don’t understand this tho
Accusing the US of escalation here when Russia violently invaded it’s peaceful neighbor?
Do you understand what escalation means? Escalation doesn’t have anything to do with who started it. It’s a relative action: it escalates from some state. The USA is committing troops where it previously hadn’t (or, more pedantically, is increasing the number of committed troops). This is escalation.
You can complain about Russia starting this, but you should also complain about the USA escalating the situation.
The US already has 80k troops there, 3k more isn’t some kind of escalation.
Is 83K more than 80K? Yes? Then it’s an escalation.
Wtf is this comment tree. I have a feeling some of the comments I read are made by russian bots trying to make 3k soldiers seem like a dramatic red line news when so many more notworthy things were done in the past years.
Wouldnt surprise me. Lemmy has no tools to prevent russian bots and propaganda at all. Lemmy doesnt even have Voting contest mode or multi account detection to prevent manipulation
russian bots
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Or maybe some are by pentagon hawks looking to stoke the flames of war?
Seriously though, calling people who don’t parrot your opinion bots is toxic rhetoric. You are more than welcome to examine who is making what votes, that information is all public. But if you were to take a close look at my account (and others whom I assume you are accusing of being bots) we are all organic Lemmy accounts.
3k is 3k. It’s an increase. It’s not war starting today but it’s definitely not a step in the right direction. Calling attention to the likely scenarios of the US escalating their military presence in the region is most certainly not Russian propaganda just because it contradicts the American propaganda.
Typical reddit liberal moment calling someone who doesn’t agree with the US a “Russian bot”.
Nah it’s more like calling someone carrying water for Russia and blaming the US for a war that Russia started a year ago a Russian bot.
Nobody is blaming the US for starting this war. We are all literally saying that an escalation like committing troops would escalate quickly into nuclear war and we are criticizing the US for taking even baby steps in that direction.
Compare that with you trying to dive head first into a nuclear conflict we don’t belong in. Which weapons manufacturer or military branch do you work for?
You have stated multiple times in your comments that the US is trying to start a war. Several other people have called you out on this.
Nobody is buying your nuclear war propaganda. You’re just trying to give cover to Russian aggression in an attempt to allow them to capture control of Ukraine. What happens if they do capture Ukraine and then invade yet another country with all these new conscripts? Would you once again tell us to just sit around and watch because you’re ‘scared’ that we might upset Russia? How long do you keep that up? This parallels Germany in the early 20th century. Those wars didn’t end because people sat by and let them do what they want for fear of conflict.
Why do you keep phrasing this as if a war didn’t already start over a year ago after Russia invaded Ukraine?
Seems you’d rather see innocent Ukranians slaughtered than offer them any aid. Why is that?
it’s not that; it’s that it’s the US doing it for a country halfway across the world, as if we’re actually going there to help instead of taking advantage of the situation because Russia’s involved
if we do go there, it’s not gonna be for aid
It’s no surprise; the Lemmy developers are literally tankies. This instance’s name literally ends in .ml (Marxism-Leninism).
.ml is the country code for Mali… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.ml
Has nothing to do with Marxism-leninism.
The lead Lemmy developer (who also runs this instance) published his Marxism Study Plan online. In fact, it’s on the same GitHub he uses to develop Lemmy.
The same devs also run Lemmygrad.ml, which is the more overt tankie instance of the two.
So yeah, I find it hard to believe that the .ml TLD was chosen for the devs’ affinity with the country of Mali.
Wow that’s so wrong it’s funny.
.ml = Mali
The country of Mali allows free domain registration.
That’s why it’s used. Because it’s free.
But by all means, keep buying into the tankie conspiracy instead of actually reading into things
Thank you for making explicit something I was wondering about. I noticed the .ml instances have a pro-authoritarian bias and couldn’t figure out what that stood for.
Man, the replies are shilled as hell. There’s a war of aggresion in Europe, and nobody can afford to be a bystander. We have paid bitterly for inaction against dictators in the past, and we must not let history repeat itself. No amount of fake handwringing or nuclear sabre rattling will change the fact that Ukraine is a free and sovereign nation, and that Russia has no right to have any territorial pretensions towards it. As for the paid trolls and contrarians - history will not remember you kindly.
I can’t believe how many tankies I had to scroll past to find a sane comment.
The troll farms are very happy with the fediverse movement. It’s much much easier to exploit and deceive compared to big regulated tech companies. The neckbeards behind Lemmy are also typical ‘marketplace of ideas’ naïve idiots, making it that much easier for groups to spread their misinformation unopposed.
Has there been any proof from any Fediverse admin who could confirm that troll farms are active on Lemmy/Fediverse? I’d be interested to read more about that. Thanks!
Edit: Would’ve expected that it’s too small in comparision to the big players.
I’m very wary of Lemmy because of this. There’s so much pro Russia / China going on here. Users who spam post propaganda that go unbanned.
It’s not necessarily bad to have your views challenged now and again. It not only forces you to defend your own assumptions. If you look closely at someone who is in an echo chamber, you can start to identify areas where you are hobbled by being in an echo chamber.
Neither of these governments deserve a voice in Western society. Neither of them allow a Western voice in their society.
Wasn’t it the West who always claimed to be more democratic and open? Now the evil governments don’t “deserve a voice in Western society”?
“Yes, please censor the media and don’t report truthfully on anything the non-Western govs do to ensure we remain free!”
lol
Yes, democratic and open to those with similar ideals. Go take your fascist ass back to your shithole.
“If you’re not open to our evil ideals then you’re not really open.” What a weak argument lmao. Are you people even trying at this point?
It’s bizarre how people instinctively seem to get foam around their mouths once you disagree with their assesment of this war and the Western simulation of liberal democracy. I’m an anarchist and antifascist. At least get your terminology in order before you recklessly give in to your lower instincts of insulting people without having any idea what you’re talking about. Appreciated.
Not buying the Western “Ukraine doesn’t have Nazis, this not a US-led proxy war, Maidan was a peaceful color-revolution” narrative doesn’t make you pro-Russian. I’m neither a friend of Putin nor the Russian or Chinese empire. I just want to see US imperialist hegemony come to an end.
Absolutely rabid here mate.
The things you do is Russia / China tactics 101. Try to cast shade into what exactly you support while very clearly being against one side. I have said plenty of bad things about my own country here and in other places. And likewise about China, Russia and many others. Criticism is thankfully a freedom we still have here. How about you, wanna tell us a few things about China and Russia motherland?
I’m from Europe and I have no allegiance to China or Russia. I’m anti-imperialist and the only political label I can associate with that of anarchism. But yeah, sure, go on making me out to be some imperialist communist tankie fascist or whatever people throw around nowadays to discredit people they don’t agree with without even knowing the political affiliations/leanings of someone.
Please explain “Russia / China tactics 101” and I’ll take the time to counter what you consider to be (I’m paraphrasing) “imperialist aligned tactics” and that I have good reasons to have arrived at my conclusions (which you don’t know about, even you read of all of my comments, because I haven’t stated them anywhere in full detail, but please, give it a try, if you don’t have anything better to do). I’m also open to being wrong and I tend to change my mind when presented with good data/evidence.
Since your posts in this thread are so utterly bereft of nuance (“Russia is evil!!11”, “Censor what contradict’s Western doctrine”, “You have a dissenting opinion so I’ll assume you’re a fascist”), I’m really not sure why I even bother responding to you, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, hoping that you might be willing to engage in a meaningful debate.
A free and sovereign nation owned by Blackrock.
This is exactly what you do if you want to give Russia a reason to attack NATO.
I’m overjoyed then.
Hope you’re ready to die in a foreign war then
You do realize there’s like 80,000 troops already there in europe? We have bases around the world. I’m not sure how these 3,000 national guard make a difference in your mind, but okay.
This is just the start. It’s the exact same way the “weapons assistance” went. First small, then billions of dollars worth of weapons being sent on the regular. It’s to get us used to the idea of even more troops being sent over. The fact that there’s 80k US troops on a foreign continent already doesn’t make it any better. If anything, it provides the context for why Russia is acting irrationally as it is being surrounded by an adversaries military
No offense but you sound like a teenager
No offense but you sound like an idiot.
I have just as much a right not to die fighting a foreign war as a Ukrainian has to die fighting for their country.
Advocating for an increase in US military involvement in a foreign war sounds like someone hasn’t studied the great 20th century conflicts. If you’d like, I am a practicing historian and I can give you a reading list at your literacy level to give you some context for current world events.
So “I have the right to safety and the Ukranians have the right to die” sums up your position?
If you want the conflict to end then why aren’t you advocating for Russia to cease their hostility and invasion of a sovereign nation? You seem to only be concerned with people opposing this Russian aggression and the war that they started.
No offense but you sound blue-eyed and idealistic when history has shown this to be a typical outcome.
Actually the typical outcome was letting hitler take the sudatenland while doing nothing.
This is us stopping the typical outcome.
To me, the issue is that it increased. Whether by a small amount or not is rather meaningless if your complaint is that troops are being committed at all. It could have increased by 30 troops and (although it wouldn’t have made news) it would bother me.
Okay I just realized what instance I’m on. Time to unsubscribe.
LMFAO Like this is a valid excuse. Only 2 people in this comments section is from Lemmy.ml. Everyone else is commenting here from different servers.
What a truly stupid take.
lemmy.ml is federated with lemmygrad.ml, and both are old instances (also run by the same people but that’s less relevant here). Point being is that all the people on tankie central are subscribed to !worldnews@lemmy.ml for their worldnews community and thus you get a certain voting pattern you don’t see in other worldnews communities even if you don’t see any lemmygrad.ml users commenting.
deranged comment
I’m guessing you are in voluntary reserves then, right? Because to advocate for sending others to die in a needless war, when you yourself aren’t volunteering to do exactly that, is hypocritical and frankly ghoulish.
It’s OK guys, America isn’t provoking a war or anything like that.
Just tell, has a war EVER started because America was sending troops and building military bases where they shouldn’t?
A guy walks into my house and stabs my wife. He starts eating the food out of my refrigerator. I don’t call the police, because I wouldn’t want to provoke him.
Fuck entirely off shill.
Thanks for reducing the complexity of international politics to something I’d expect from a late night TV bizarre true crime documentary. You’ve certainly elevated the debate!
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There were protests, undeniable. Initially there were peaceful protests from people who had reservations about Deng’s policies, that the CPC openly engaged with. Li Peng met with these protestors in April. However, the CIA saw the opportunity to forment an uprising and so pushed several student “leaders” into more aggressive actions. “Leaders” who expressed motivations such as wanting China to be controlled by the West.
Even western sources at the time, including ones such as the NYT and Reuters, said that there wasn’t much happening. In the Square itself, there were no casulities. In the entirety of Beijing there were casulties among the PLA, police, and protestors alike. PLA soldiers were unarmed until they were attacked by protestors.
In the square itself the tank (which was leaving the square, not entering) stopped for the infamous tank man, who then…walked away unharmed. Do you think that would happen in many other countries? Considering we see US police charging full speed through protestors, I certainly don’t.
Your are poorly mistaken. There are plenty of gorey pictures and videos of lots of dead and dying protesters in Tiennemen Square from that day. Thousands were killed according to many witnesses.
Provoking war with whom. Russia is already at war with Ukraine lmao. Maybe dont start a war if you dont want war provoking bla bla
