EU foreign ministers met on Wednesday to discuss efforts to end Russia's war on Ukraine. "The focus should be on what kind of concessions we see from the Russian side," High Representative Kaja Kallas said.
Would it be just? Sure. Would Russia agree to it even if all other demands are met and sanctions lifted? Probably not given that NATO will just rearm Ukraine and send them in when they’ve recovered. Possibly with NATO backing.
Send them into Russia. Yes it feels entirely sane? Were you under the impression they wouldn’t be happy to send another generation of their youth into a meatgrinder? They’re doing that right now.
You are saying, given the chance, Ukraine would start a war?
That after this one ends, they’d want to continue so badly they’d become the invading side?
I mean… It’s happened before. But my country participating in operation Barbarossa alongside actual fucking nazis probably ranks among the stupidest decisions in all of recorded history.
But hey, if that’s your prediction, maybe take it to polymarket.
Correct, hence why they rejected peace proposals where Russia even gives up a portion of the land they’ve occupied and say they won’t accept anything less than Crimea.
Their leadership absolutely wants to keep fighting.
The 28-point plan was a thinly veiled temporary ceasefire that would have left Ukraine de-armed and Russia free to re-arm and try again in a couple years.
I think agreeing to it would have been like giving the bully your lunch money, then bringing twice the amount the next day thinking you’d then get to keep half.
Reality is more complex than that, of course. Maybe that peace-deal would have been the timeline with less overrall misery. But that is unknowable, and won’t become clear even in hindsight.
I meant the proposal in 2022, which was similar to the current one, except a million more Ukrainians and Russians would still be alive.
thinly veiled temporary ceasefire that would have left Ukraine de-armed and Russia free to re-arm
Well yeah, did you expect Russia to disarm? If you wanted bilateral disarmament similar to START, it would have to be between NATO and Russia, not Russia and one of America’s puppets.
except a million more Ukrainians and Russians would still be alive.
Maybe. I don’t think you can say that for sure. Maybe in that timeline, that peace would have come and gone by now.
Well yeah, did you expect Russia to disarm?
No. I expect both sides to remain armed to the teeth, perhaps even growing their capabilities for years after a peace-deal.
My country neighbours Russia, and unlike some neughbours, we never disarmed. That doesn’t mean we’re out to expand our territories. It is just the reality of being neighbours with Russia, even then for a while there our military expenditure felt like a waste even to me.
Not anymore.
The only security you can have with men like Putin, is to make taking something from you as expensive as possible.
America’s puppets.
That’s a bit of a oversimplification. The only puppet the US could accurately control right now, is a sock pulled onto one of Trumps hands.
Any apprently positive outcome is accidental, and even then half of it is fixing problems they’re themselves causing.
Trump himself is so empty, that anything he has to say that isn’t coming from his ego, is just him parroting the latest person to gift him an airplane.
So obvious it shouldn’t have to be stated.
Would it be just? Sure. Would Russia agree to it even if all other demands are met and sanctions lifted? Probably not given that NATO will just rearm Ukraine and send them in when they’ve recovered. Possibly with NATO backing.
“Send them in” where?
Spell it out. Maybe say it out loud. See if it feels like a sane take.
Send them into Russia. Yes it feels entirely sane? Were you under the impression they wouldn’t be happy to send another generation of their youth into a meatgrinder? They’re doing that right now.
You are saying, given the chance, Ukraine would start a war?
That after this one ends, they’d want to continue so badly they’d become the invading side?
I mean… It’s happened before. But my country participating in operation Barbarossa alongside actual fucking nazis probably ranks among the stupidest decisions in all of recorded history.
But hey, if that’s your prediction, maybe take it to polymarket.
Correct, hence why they rejected peace proposals where Russia even gives up a portion of the land they’ve occupied and say they won’t accept anything less than Crimea.
Their leadership absolutely wants to keep fighting.
The 28-point plan was a thinly veiled temporary ceasefire that would have left Ukraine de-armed and Russia free to re-arm and try again in a couple years.
I think agreeing to it would have been like giving the bully your lunch money, then bringing twice the amount the next day thinking you’d then get to keep half.
Reality is more complex than that, of course. Maybe that peace-deal would have been the timeline with less overrall misery. But that is unknowable, and won’t become clear even in hindsight.
I meant the proposal in 2022, which was similar to the current one, except a million more Ukrainians and Russians would still be alive.
Well yeah, did you expect Russia to disarm? If you wanted bilateral disarmament similar to START, it would have to be between NATO and Russia, not Russia and one of America’s puppets.
Maybe. I don’t think you can say that for sure. Maybe in that timeline, that peace would have come and gone by now.
No. I expect both sides to remain armed to the teeth, perhaps even growing their capabilities for years after a peace-deal.
My country neighbours Russia, and unlike some neughbours, we never disarmed. That doesn’t mean we’re out to expand our territories. It is just the reality of being neighbours with Russia, even then for a while there our military expenditure felt like a waste even to me.
Not anymore.
The only security you can have with men like Putin, is to make taking something from you as expensive as possible.
That’s a bit of a oversimplification. The only puppet the US could accurately control right now, is a sock pulled onto one of Trumps hands.
Any apprently positive outcome is accidental, and even then half of it is fixing problems they’re themselves causing.
Trump himself is so empty, that anything he has to say that isn’t coming from his ego, is just him parroting the latest person to gift him an airplane.