• sauerkrautsaul
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    1 day ago

    if you havent been paying attention closely enough to notice that american voters do not want a woman in the white house im not sure what to tell you

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      4 hours ago

      I hear this take all the time and frankly I think it’s lazy and rooted in the same misogyny that you claim lost both Hilary and Kamala the presidency. 48% of American voters turned out for both Clinton and Harris compared to the 51% turnout for Biden.

      Of the three, Biden was the only one who ran during a Republican administration and he had the additional advantage of running against Trump’s catastrophic handling of the 2020 COVID pandemic and despite all that he only took an extra 3% of the vote over Clinton and Harris.

      On the flip side, both Clinton and Harris ran on maintaining the deeply unpopular status quo under their own party’s administration and attempting to appeal to the center-right whilst alienating their own base and taking their vote for granted. Despite that, 48% of American voters still turned out for them and they lost to Trump’s 46% in 2016 and <50% in 2024, a less than 2% margin in both cases.

      To reduce that nuance to, “they lost because they’re women” completely ignores the fact that they ran flawed campaigns in a time of deep dissatisfaction with the status quo that they ran in support of all so you can pin their failure on their gender and perpetuate the idea that women can’t be elected to be president, something that at least 75 million American voters disagree with.

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      Yah because people really warmed to Harris and Clinton (despite Clinton winning the popular vote.) 🙄

      Don’t worry, a lot of people will dismiss her for being a woman, but if she can wrangle trump’s base of armed patriots she has all the cards and the system will bend for her no matter what she says or does. I do understand how political capital works and why gender only matters so far in the big game.

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        Yeah I dont know. I work in a field where I hear a lot of the details of people’s employment stories and if I can tell you one universal thing its that women need to be 5x better than a confident sounding man in order to be taken half as seriously.

        never underestimate how much the world dislikes a woman who knows more than anything than they do

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          21 hours ago

          I know this well, as someone in the corporate world I have been witness to just how bad it is, and faced consequences for trying to advocate for fairness.

          I am saying, well aware of what a mistake it is to field a female candidate in present America, that the GOP may make the same mistake, but predictability in elections has been abandoned, and it might actually work. I don’t think the chances of this are too far off.

          Rightoids: “Well she’s even more MAGA than MAGA, I 'member her talking 'bout dem jews, she may be a chick but she got my vote.”

          Lefties: “She has made amends and abandoned trumpism, and we NEED a woman in charge!”

          Liberals: “If I vote for a woman who basically been on both sides, does that make this the ULTRA liberal choice? Right up the middle? If it means preserving status quo I’m in!”

          Everyone Else: “LAWL LET’S SEE WHAT HAPPENS”